ZIDOO 8K Media player coming soon.

You don't need a monitor (there's no OLED monitor with a decent "TV size" on the market, it's not even about price... and don't think of the Sony "FWD" series, those are just rebrandings of the consumer sets), I would just stick with a Panasonic OLED (MZ2000 or the new Z95 / 93): with 4K content (+ HDR), I personally would never look back to any plasma (I used to own a Kuro and then also a Pana ZT60)... but this is just my opinion. My previous post was, actually, nothing serious... I was just messing with you

 

+1 from me about Panasonic MZ2000 and the incoming Z95A! Amazing TVs!

 

Well there is one or two monitor oled 65inch ( but would you pay £5000 - £10,000 for one ? )

& i have been looking for years now so id imagine id know whats available out there .
& i know plasma is old tech thats common knowledge i use mine as i bought it coming to 15 years ago still gives a stunning image for old tech

if there was a 4K 65 inch Oled Monitor out there for £4000 id snap it up instantly.
So thats the reason.

i may bite the bullet on a G4 going forward just a shame most manufactures dropped Monitors as no money to be made on them now
Due to apps & advertising etc is where all the money is.

Better get back on topic as some may want to know about the new zidoo coming out.

 

Oh, I understand what you mean by "monitor" now and no, I would never pay these prices for those.. I agree!

You're right!

 

i preorder Zidoo Z30 pro

thanks for new models

 

Video output on the audio port is a blank blue field in 1080p60 8-bit RGB SDR so you should be good.

 

It plays, but it plays with frame drops on Realtek boxes.

 

@Markswift2003 did you see my personal message?

 

Sorry - it's a dead format, so like TV manufacturers, AMLogic decided not to include it. There's nothing Zidoo can do about that.

 

It's not a reference file, it's just a format that the SOC is supposed to support.

But AVC HP@L5.2 is kind of pointless because we have HEVC, so I have no idea why it was ever used in the first place. But if people have files in that format and the SOC supports it then it should play.

59.940 (60000/1001) is a standard frame rate, although not needed these days in the digital domain (it's tied to old NTSC analog scan rates and the need to use drop frame formats)

 

Yes thank you, but I had no useful comment to make.

I disagree with your appraisal of Zidoo's response and thought your responses to Zidoo were extremely rude so I decided not to get involved.

 

I agree missing BD-3D playback is the biggest miss on this player. Will need to keep my Z9X for just that use. Anyway that can match then with an older TV also kept for exactly that same reason (now paired with an Egreat A11). Maybe you can do the same? You can't buy a new TV either with 3D included but some projectors still. I may prefer getting an 75"or even 85" instead of a projector for a cinema setup these days.

 

And why don't you answer me personally, then we could have discussed it!
If you found my reaction to the ridiculous answers from Zidoo Support rude, then you have probably never experienced proper support!

 

Well, i work in the film and tv bizz,. but this is a very obscure (old) format. Nowdays ( 20 years) it is almost all 23.98 dropframe if you shoot US film or tv drama

But i'm still curious..about this very specific point... since you apperantly have acces to pre-production samples, what exactly is your ( financially ) connection to Zidoo?

 

O.k., I get that the Z9X 8K won’t be able to output 3D… but will it be able to play a 2D version of a 3D-MVC file that has been backed up to MKV?

Another change that surprised me is that the RS232 port on the Z9X 8k appears to have been moved to the right side. With the Z9X (PRO) I was able to make all connections that I needed, including RS232 for Crestron control, on the back of the unit.

Maybe rather a niche problem, the analog video out appears to have been stripped as well. I used it on previous Z9X/X9S generations to feed an Axis IP Video Server to provide a low resolution preview on a Crestron Touchpanel. Besides looking cool on the touchpanel, it proved useful to do things on the Zidoo in the equipment room and without firing up the projector. Is the removal of the analog video output confirmed?

 

Thank you for still trying!

I have a DJI Pocket and lots of personal footage in 4K59.94 H264 High@L5.2. I don't want to put these as samples since it's personal but the one from Gemini Man that I posted should be enough to debug on the Zidoo side. Also, I have some 4k60 and 4k50 files but these are all level 5.2 H264 files and should all play fine if Zidoo fixes that support (if possible).

59.940 instead of 60 is indeed stuff from the history of televison but high framerate videos are not that uncommon and should play if supported by the SOC like you said.

As for why some devices use this format, the H264 spec was enhanced at some point before H265 arrived to permit 4K@60 starting at level 5.2 and levels go way above that in the H264 spec, up to 6.x I think, but recording devices uses 5.2 only from what I know and they do probably because it was easier to encode in realtime on their hardware versus H265.

I tried a personal video again and it played quite some time correctly on the Dune Pro One 8K but then the infamous freeze frame appeared. So it's either the S928X SOC supports it but it's buggy in the HW core of that support and cannot be fixed or Dune did not do a good job in supporting it. It's impossible that it plays ok like that for some time in software mode even with the S928X "powerful" CPU which would not be enough to decode this correctly "for some time" in SW I would think.

These files play perfectly on nvidia shield, iphone and ipad pro but I would prefer to stick to one Zidoo player for when watching on the TV.

Would love to keep the original quality and not re-encode for hours to H265.

Again, thank you for checking this out with Zidoo, we are lucky to have you as a bridge between us and Zidoo.

 

Yes dropped frames and slow motion. Normal since it's not supported by RTD1619DR or RTD1619BPD.

 

I'm sorry to say that what you are referring to is absolutely not on the shooting side. There's no dropframe in the movie industry. The dropframes are only used for home video / tv broadcast (although it actually doesn't make any sense anymore in the digital domain... it's just habit from the past and still here)

 

Well, hate to say it, but if you for example shoot sound with it, you have to use matching timecode. And that is 23.98 fps. On set. To match the camera.
But next time i get a producers memo, i will tell them it is not needed

Of i look at the .nfo data, most is 23.98 fps.

But still, more curious about Mister Swifts (business) connection to Zidoo

 

We should only use 24, 25, 30, 50 and 60. I find it weird that we are still using non integer framerates but it's all in the hardware used to record and process videos my guess is. If it were only me deciding, all would be recorded in 4k60 but that's another discussion for which people will not agree