Master Edition

Discussion in 'Eversolo DMP-A6' started by Noerjew, Jun 17, 2023.

  1. Milky

    Milky Active Member


    Are you saying 10fs between the two products? Where are you getting that number from?


    Yes human ears are very sensitive to very minute amounts of jitter
     
  2. Nutul

    Nutul Well-Known Member

    you probably are more sensitive to the better op-amps, than to the femto-second clocks. But anyway, it's known that human ears can sense (not everybody, not everywhere, and for sure not me here and now) down to 6 / 7 ns (nano-seconds) delay / reverberation. This said, a nano second is still 1 000 000 times bigger than a femto. Maybe some unlucky guy on this planet has the misfortune to detect femto-anomalies, and all the music invented and written so far sounds harsh to his ears... :-D

    P.S.
    Femto-second accuracy is good, of course.
     
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  3. Nutul

    Nutul Well-Known Member

    I mention 10 fs jitter allowance. If such a drift in the clock signal can drive you mad...
     
  4. Nice Monkey

    Nice Monkey Well-Known Member Beta test group

    Yes jitter is worse that the absolute accuracy of crystals. Why? Accusillicon got a nice niche market there.
    No I can't really hear the difference between good opamps listening to music. Only opening up the volume to the max with no signal on input shows a difference in noise level.
     
  5. Nutul

    Nutul Well-Known Member

    Agree, but also harmonic distortion is a factor that differentiates an op-amp from a good op-amp.
    And then there is all the psycho-acoustic soup... I am extremely happy my 55 y.o. ears hear no difference after a certain level of quality; call it luck... ;-)
     
  6. Nice Monkey

    Nice Monkey Well-Known Member Beta test group

    Just passed 70 and only after the multiple upgrades made to my gear in recent years started hearing the difference in sound between a 320 kbit MP3 and the FLAC of my same good quality albums. Nice job to do them all once more. Also noticed that the influence of the crystal is far bigger with PCM than with DSD.
    Using Accusillicon based DAC's the difference between DSD and DSD => PCM is a lot smaller than using a standard AMP via HDMI.
     
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  7. Naora

    Naora New Member

    DMP-A6 ME exchanged by Dealer and the new one is working perfectly, and with the new update even got playing better and much more stable.
    Good work by Eversolo, Thank you.
     
  8. Hannibal_

    Hannibal_ Member

    Guy’s,

    It is not the jitter itself that you hear.
    The jitter translates into decoding faults with digital artefacts as a result.
    Particularly on the SPDIF connections I have had issues with my previous streamer. A version with a better clock resolved that.

    regards, Han
     
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  9. Noerjew

    Noerjew Member

    So, I swapped my Master Edition for a normal one.
    Finally I can fully enjoy the Eversolo! Bass is much more controlled and not all over the place... Maybe I had a faulty device.... or the normal edition fits better in my setup...
     
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  10. Nutul

    Nutul Well-Known Member

    This is very weird... the master edition should have brought in an even more refined music fidelity, not add neither/remove any sound coloration... this thing about the bass is, again, utterly weird...
     
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  11. Inti

    Inti Active Member

    Hi i have the Master Edition and I can’t follow what you’re explaining about the bass it’s a neutral dac / streamer I have just sold my Auralic setup that cost a lot more and I’m satisfied the Eversolo Master Edition
     
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  12. Glerup71

    Glerup71 Active Member

    It sounds a little strange, the Master edition should have better clocks and op-amps, so it has every reason to sound the best...
     
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  13. Fergus

    Fergus Active Member

    I had the standard item that was used stand alone and I liked it so much I have just traded up to the Master Edition. It’s barely been on an hour or so and I’m loving it. My first impressions are it’s fuller, faster and with better low level detail.
     
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  14. wcseow

    wcseow Member

    I am thinking about it too. May I ask whether you are using the internal DAC?
     
  15. Fergus

    Fergus Active Member

    Sorry, yes I am. I could have been clearer, that’s what I meant by “used stand alone”.
     
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  16. Inti

    Inti Active Member

    Hi have the Master edition and I use the internal DAC I have also heard the standard A6 I can only say in my setup the ME version is superior sounding and totally worth it I now there is a lot of people that say otherwise i can only say injoy the Music
     
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  17. Hannibal_

    Hannibal_ Member

    Guy’s,

    that’s valuable info from first hand.
    It’s a lovely piece of work, enjoy it!

    regards, Han
     
  18. Nice Monkey

    Nice Monkey Well-Known Member Beta test group

    Technically that is absolutely incorrect. The data is with a good cable still 100% original an faultless. DAC sampling will be irregular though with tiny difference between sample timing and our ears result extremely sensible to that. The sound spectrum results identical but the actual sound quality perceived isn't.

    Just look at data transfers via USB; the mainboard clock preciseness and jitter does not matter in any way as long as all the bits are received correctly it works just fine (no bad cable).
     
    Last edited: Aug 19, 2023
  19. Hannibal_

    Hannibal_ Member

    I was talking about SPDIF, monk

    and it’s bit errors you hear due to translation errors on that.
    Digital artefacts.
    Jitter (timing errors) is one of the causes.
    In general.

    but the solo is good enough on SPDIF
     
  20. Nutul

    Nutul Well-Known Member

    I apologise if mistaking or missing some prior info, but, IMO, USB is by far superior to any SP-DIF, bandwidth speaking, so why not stick to the most powerful interface?
    I hear here many and many voices wanting at any cost to use coaxial, or optical. Despite their 192 limitation, they also cannot cope with jitter as good as USB can nowadays do... I simply cannot understand.
    Maybe because I am in my fifties and "I know things"...
     

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