EDID thread (AML S928X players)

I am clear on the proyector not being DV capable but I had custom settings on the z1000 pro and on the NP5 so that it could handle via HDR.

It's kind of discouraging if I need another piece of equipment with the z3000 (HDfury). As I mentioned, on the z1000, no issue with the output from the device being "sent as" DV. My question is if I am doing anything wrong on my end? Why is the z3000 only giving option for DV output as SDR or HDR? Is it because of the projector or is it standard? Again, the DV logo displays on screen for DV content, so I am confused.

 

I didn't say you needed another piece of equipment, I said that it was one of two options. Exactly the same is true using the Z1000.

You can do exactly what you did on the Z1000 but the HDR options on the new models are considerably more sophisticated so you can tailor the output depending on the input.

The reason you only get HDR & SDR options is because the PJs EDID only supports that so you need to use a BT.2020 LLDV custom EDID the same as you did in the Z1000. Then you'll have the option to output LLDV.

As for the DV logo, you're presumably seeing the VS10 logo and not the double D logo.

 

Ok, so now it's corrected and I'm seeing the proper "signal". I guess I had to set the correct LLDV.

 

I am hoping one of you fine gents can help me out, I have a Sony a95l which I love, but using a HDMI 2.1 port breaks the EDID and my zidoo can't read the edid and can't output DV or 1080/720 at anything other than 60hz so no 1080/24.
I have contacted Sony about fixing the issue or giving me a custom working EDID but they were less than helpful, Is there any chance anyone has a custom edid for a sony a95l?

 

Attached is an A95L EDID.

 

That fixed everything you absolute legend, thank you very much.

 

Would that apply to the X90L as well?

 

Hello @Markswift2003, enclosed is my current EDID, which allows me to play 8K files (or upscale any file, all the way to 8K resolution). Couple interesting points:

- I have not been able to send an 8K signal with any of the posted EDIDs (provided on the first page of this thread), neither with the test 8K EDID you have kindly generated for me to try on - for some reason the output gets limited to 4k60 with all of those EDIDs.

- From a picture quality perspective, have experimented with several of the provided EDIDs, and from my perspective the one that works best with the JVC projector is the 4.000nits, sending either VS10-HDR10 or just pure HDR10 for the projector to do the tonemapping (In order to reach this conclusion, I have used the BT.2020 4,000nit LLDV provided on the first page of this thread).

- I do not like JVCs HDR10+ handling, so I suppose I can either supress the flag from the EDID so that the output is plain HDR10, or I can force VS10 processing exclusively for HDR10+ (I would prefer removing the flag from the EDID).


@Markswift2003 - Please, would you be so kind to help manipulating the enclosed EDID, removing HDR10+ flag and changing it to 4.000 nits (I am not even sure what JVC reports as the maximum nits supported). With this I think I will have all my requirements covered - Thanks in advance for all your help!

 

Ok, a couple of confusing points here...

First thing is that all the EDIDs on the front page are 4K60 max - none of them are 8K.

When you refer to the "BT.2020 4,000nit LLDV" EDID, the 4000nits refers to LLDV only, so is irrelevant if you are not using LLDV.

So I'm a bit confused - I think you only want to use HDR10 and not LLDV - so in that case the attached EDID is simply your EDID with HDR10+ removed.

If I'm wrong and you are indeed using LLDV, please let me know and I can add 4000nit LLDV to the EDID.

 

Thanks for the quick reply Mark! In fact, I am not so sure what is going on since you are absolutely right on the fact that I am not using LLDV.

Let me describe my perception from the usage of those EDIDs so that we can better understand what my real need is: When I use my original (8K capable) EDID and I apply VS10 processing, I am getting a duller picture with compressed highlights - I then tried the 400 nit EDID, then the 1.000 nit EDID and finally the 4.000 nit LLDV Edid - Without using LLDV, but just VS10 processing for all file types (except SDR), I found the result to be less dull with more highligh detais, using the 4.000 nit LLDV file.

Are there other differences from those LLDV files from my original EDID in terms of disply nit capabilites which could be affecting things?

 

The 400, 1000 and 4000nits only refer to the maximum nits defined in the Dolby Vision Block - in simple terms, this is the point at which tone mapping starts in Dolby Vision.

But they have no relevance to SDR or HDR10, so as far as HDR10 goes, all the EDIDs are the same, so no difference if you just use HDR10.

 

Ok, thanks again Mark! I will try the file you have provided, removing the HDR10+ flag and let you know how it goes.

 

Hi Mark, I would like to thank you for your support. The EDID you have provided, works like a charm for my exact needs.

Now my Z9X 8K sends HDR10 to the projector (even when the file is HDR10+) and I am doing all tonemapping at the JVC NZ8, just like I wanted to!

All the help was greatly appreciated !!

 

Brilliant

Glad to help.

 

Hi Mark, I’ve been quite happy with my Z9X 8K working with my Sony 950H which is only LLDV. Recently I have bought a Chinese version Vidda (Hisense) C2 Ultra projector (my first projector). That version doesn’t have DV but HDR10+. I’m trying to work out the best way to squeeze out the best picture. Ive used settings VS10 for DV - DV -> HDR in the settings for output to date and am happy with that. I’m just wondering about custom EDID. To complicate matters more, my Yamaha AVR doesnt support HDR10+. I’m wondering if its worth it to get a EZCOO splitter the one that does 4K 120HZ (im assuming that does HDR10+). Ive checked my projector settings and it does have EOTF setting and Gamma, im assuming this is the setting to Manually put into HDR ? Anyhow, here is my EDID passing through the AVR, is there any changes required to use this with the Zidoo ? Id be grateful for your help

 

Definitely worth trying LLDV on the projector if you can switch into HDR mode manually.

Bit puzzled by those settings though - EOTF (Electro Optical Transfer Function) is essentially gamma so why there are seemingly two settings for gamma there I don't know.

An HDR EOTF would be ST.2084 so it's odd there's also a gamma setting showing BT.1886 which is SDR power gamma - it should be ST.2084 PQ gamma (Perceptual Quantiser).

So maybe EOTF is labelled wrong and means Colour Space (should be BT.2020), in which case set EOTF to HDR and gamma to St.2084.

Colour temperature is a bit odd being marked as "Hot" - that should be 6500K (Kelvin) so hopefully the manual will help there - I assume "Hot" means 6500K.

Anyway, I'm sure you can sort that out so attached are two EDIDs to try. Which one is best depends on how good the tone mapping in the pj is - the 1000nit hands off most of the tone mapping to the projector and the 400nit splits it between the projector up to 400nits and the Dolby processor >400nits.

Also, don't worry if they both look the same

 

Thanks so much Mark, I’ll give it a try. Re the settings, I must admit being my first projector and also buying a Chinese model (ie no manual in English) and it being super new, wasn’t my smartest move in trying to understand how these things work. I’ll play around with the other settings and see how they look I guess. Re the HDR10+ do you think it’s worth a splitter to bypass the amp (but leave audio with amp) , or just convert withVS10 ?

EDIT: I found the Color Space setting (under color space - who knew) and have set it to BT.2020. Thanks so much!

 

I'd try converting to LLDV - I doubt you'll see any benefit in HDR10+ over LLDV. You could test by just connecting straight to the projector - you won't get any sound, but you can test the picture before investing in a splitter.

 

Yeah I suspect you would be right, I’ll just convert to LLDV. Thanks again for your help here…. I don't know what we would do without you in these forums.

 

Nice of you to say, thank you.