EDID thread (AML S928X players)

I really appreciate your clarity and sincerity!! Thanks Mark

 

4. 4K60Hz BT.2020 HDR10+
At home I can't get better than 2 channels for sound!!!
No problem with the others...

 

Hello,

What might be the difference between:

4K60Hz 400nit BT.2020 LLDV
and
Full + BT.2020 400nit LLDV +HDR+

Many thanks!

 

They’re the same except one has HDR10+

 

So admittedly, I don't know much about the baked in VS10 stuff, but my understanding is that it it'll take DV and output it in another format (HDR10+ maybe). And if so, I'd be curious to know what additional value spoofing LLDV would have. Being that I'm running everything through a MadVR Envy Extreme, and being that it won't accept DV, I convert everything. However, I've tested LLDV & HDR10, and never have seen a difference (but that should be the point if the Envy is doing all the DTM).

That said, one big selling point of the 8000 (which I yet to test), is this VS10 as I do have DV files that can become annoying to mess with. And if the 8000 will auto handle them for me, that's one less thing to deal with.

 

Hello everybody! I have my Z9X 8K arriving in a couple of days here in Brazil – very glad to join the team!


I have a Denon X3800H receiver (8K compatible), a JVC NZ8 projector (8K compatible) and an older Sony 4K TV. Both the projector and the TV are connected to the receiver; thus the mixed EDID is limited to 4K.


I plan to use the Z9X mostly with the projector, but I have done testing with my HTPC and I can only send an 8K signal to the projector, if the TV is actually disconnected from the receiver (due to the mixed EDID the receiver imposes when both projector and TV are connected).


Please, would it be possible to generate a custom 400nit LLDV EDID with the full 8K resolution, so that I can avoid the restriction imposed by my setup?

 

If you can remind me about this after Saturday, I can sort that out.

 

Much appreciated!

 

Hi Mark, my Z9X 8K arrives tomorrow - please, you asked me to remind you about my need for a custom 400nit LLDV EDID with the full 8K resolution.

Thanks for all the attention!

 

Ok, this should get you started - it's the 400nit EDID that comes with the Zidoo along with 8K modes.

It might be an idea to post your own EDIDs once you get the box and I can just add the LLDV block to it (space allowing!).

If you can post two EDIDs - one with the box directly connected to the PJ and one connected via the amp (with TV disconnected) then I can produce an EDID specifically for your setup.

 

Awesome, much appreciated!

 

Hello. I need help with the following problem. I have a uhd 8000 and this sends its signal to a Hue Snyc Box with the TV LED DV setting. With this setting the lights stay off. With Player LED DV they work. Is there a way to solve this problem and is Player LED really worse than TV LED DV? Is there an Edid that solves this problem and still passes the full potential of picture quality on to the TV? Thank you.

 

I don't have any experience of the Hue Box but this behaviour may be because in TV Led Dolby Vision, the box processes the metadata and not the TV (incorrectly called "Fake TV Led" elsewhere).

This allows any TV Led display to take full advantage of current Display Management (DM) even if its DM module is lower than current specs.

The next firmware will include an option to passthrough metadata for TV Led and this will probably be what the Hue Box is expecting. This precludes, for example, using DMv4 content on DMv3 or DMv2 displays, but such is the complicity of Dolby Vision!

And no, Player Led is not worse than TV Led Dolby Vision in the context of these boxes (no FEL and P8 conversion for P7).

 

I thought TV Led meant that the Zidoo sent the meta data for the TV to use and not by the player. Are you saying that isn't the case?

 

This has been vociferously talked about for quite a while now.

Dolby spec dictates that both the player and the display has to contain the Dolby Composer (the bit that sticks the metadata to the video) and in the case of all the VS10 players (DuneZappitiLution and Zidoo), Composer is used in the player for TV Led because that means that Display Management version doesn't matter.

There's not the usual heavy lifting required for FEL/BL recombination, so it makes perfect sense in the context of Display Management to do this.

Fairly recently, people on the wider internet got very excited and jumped up and down a lot when they discovered this and declared it to be "Fake TV Led".

It isn't.

It's actually a very useful tool in a lot of cases (mostly for non recent LG users it must be said!).

Anyway, such a fuss was made that Dune decided to (badly so far) implement metadata bypass for TV Led so Zidoo have done the same (but better).

Probably only recent LG users should use it confidently and certainly, regardless of TV make, before you do, you should know what your EDID says about it all.

As I said - I'm planning a post once the new firmware drops (if I haven't lost interest by then that is - it's not that interesting... )

Well, it is interesting, but something else is bound to come along...

 

Thanks. I have a 2024 LG. But using the new 'true' TV led make any noticeable difference to the PQ?

 

So that means I don't need to buy a Hue 8k box because there is no difference in picture quality between the TV LED and the Player LED on the Zidoo??? But why do so many people say that the TV LED is so much better? Thanks for your explanation

Quick info when using Dolby Vision with HDMI Sync Box: This cannot process DV 4:4:4 RGB 8Bit. In this case the lights remain off.

 

I doubt it but I'm prepared to be be corrected so it'll be interesting to see.

 

What has changed with the DV output from the player? The only output options for DV content I am currently seeing is SDR and HDR. Now when the content is DV, the projector can detect that it's DV, but the signal from the z3000 pro is VS10 - HDR. Previously, my z1000 pro would output in VS10 - DV. Am I doing something wrong? My projector is a JVC NP5.

 

A LOT has changed - HDR/SDR/DV output from these players is way more configurable that from any other players to date, but obviously if you want to output DV, you need a DV EDID and the NP5 is SDR/HDR only.

Note that the NP5 cannot "detect" DV - if you output BT.2020 LLDV from the Zidoo you need to either set the projector in its HDR10 mode or use an HDFury to send a dummy HDR signal.