ZIDOO Z9X

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  1. Markswift2003

    Markswift2003 Moderator Beta test group Contributor

    You can choose those in the "Filter by..." options but if you try and choose YUV 420 and 24Hz together you'll see Display Modes "0" at the bottom:

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    Honestly, I'm not making it up - 4K23~30 4:2:0 is an illegal HDMI mode :)
     
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  2. ammar11

    ammar11 Member

    True, but just weird though because blu-ray discs encode movies at 23p 4:2:0.
     
  3. ammar11

    ammar11 Member

    I have just ripped Disc 1 of the Extended Edition version of Fellowship of the Ring (using MakeMKV 1.15.3). As others have observed it stutters and lags after 5 minutes of playback on Zidoo. I have the same problem with The Matrix and Attack of the Clones.

    I've always use ZDMC with Zidoo player, so I decided to do an experiment. I change the player to Kodi's native player. It very slightly stutters at start (very acceptable), but then stabilizes and plays on for without any issues. I don't have time to play the whole movie, but I also tested The Matrix and Attack of the Clones and it passed as well. So this is very likely just Zidoo player, which I think can be fixed with a firmware update.

    Only downside for using Kodi's native player is you will not get Dolby Vision ever.

    PS: Speaking of Dolby Vision (which I know very little about), I read here that Zidoo cannot decode Profile 7, is this correct? But playing Fellowship of the Ring using using Zidoo player, Dolby Vision triggers on my TV. Anyone know what profile is the Dolby Vision for this disc, or is it MEL or FEL?

    The media info from my rip:

    Code:
    General
    Unique ID                                : 197439276914594250594817951477637743889 (0x94896BEB6890ED9D24CBF175B4628511)
    Complete name                            : F:\Backup Films\The Lord of the Rings- The Fellowship of the Ring (EXT.) PT. 1-SEG FPL_MainFeature_t02.mkv
    Format                                   : Matroska
    Format version                           : Version 2
    File size                                : 53.8 GiB
    Duration                                 : 1 h 45 min
    Overall bit rate mode                    : Variable
    Overall bit rate                         : 72.8 Mb/s
    Movie name                               : The Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring (EXT.) PT. 1
    Encoded date                             : UTC 2020-12-02 21:56:15
    Writing application                      : MakeMKV v1.15.3 win(x64-release)
    Writing library                          : libmakemkv v1.15.3 (1.3.10/1.5.2) win(x64-release)
    
    Video
    ID                                       : 1
    ID in the original source medium         : 4113 (0x1011)
    Format                                   : HEVC
    Format/Info                              : High Efficiency Video Coding
    Format profile                           : Main 10@L5.1@High
    HDR format                               : Dolby Vision, Version 1.0, dvhe.07.06, BL+EL+RPU, Blu-ray compatible / SMPTE ST 2086, HDR10 compatible
    Codec ID                                 : V_MPEGH/ISO/HEVC
    Duration                                 : 1 h 45 min
    Bit rate                                 : 69.8 Mb/s
    Width                                    : 3 840 pixels
    Height                                   : 2 160 pixels
    Display aspect ratio                     : 16:9
    Frame rate mode                          : Constant
    Frame rate                               : 23.976 (24000/1001) FPS
    Color space                              : YUV
    Chroma subsampling                       : 4:2:0 (Type 2)
    Bit depth                                : 10 bits
    Bits/(Pixel*Frame)                       : 0.351
    Stream size                              : 51.5 GiB (96%)
    Language                                 : English
    Default                                  : No
    Forced                                   : No
    Color range                              : Limited
    Color primaries                          : BT.2020
    Transfer characteristics                 : PQ
    Matrix coefficients                      : BT.2020 non-constant
    Mastering display color primaries        : Display P3
    Mastering display luminance              : min: 0.0050 cd/m2, max: 4000 cd/m2
    Maximum Content Light Level              : 602 cd/m2
    Maximum Frame-Average Light Level        : 184 cd/m2
    Original source medium                   : Blu-ray
    
    Audio
    ID                                       : 2
    ID in the original source medium         : 4352 (0x1100)
    Format                                   : MLP FBA 16-ch
    Format/Info                              : Meridian Lossless Packing FBA with 16-channel presentation
    Commercial name                          : Dolby TrueHD with Dolby Atmos
    Codec ID                                 : A_TRUEHD
    Duration                                 : 1 h 45 min
    Bit rate mode                            : Variable
    Bit rate                                 : 3 000 kb/s
    Maximum bit rate                         : 4 992 kb/s
    Channel(s)                               : 8 channels
    Channel layout                           : L R C LFE Ls Rs Lb Rb
    Sampling rate                            : 48.0 kHz
    Frame rate                               : 1 200.000 FPS (40 SPF)
    Bit depth                                : 24 bits
    Compression mode                         : Lossless
    Stream size                              : 2.22 GiB (4%)
    Title                                    : Surround 7.1
    Language                                 : English
    Default                                  : Yes
    Forced                                   : No
    Original source medium                   : Blu-ray
    Number of dynamic objects                : 11
    Bed channel count                        : 1 channel
    Bed channel configuration                : LFE
    
    Text
    ID                                       : 3
    ID in the original source medium         : 4768 (0x12A0)
    Format                                   : PGS
    Codec ID                                 : S_HDMV/PGS
    Codec ID/Info                            : Picture based subtitle format used on BDs/HD-DVDs
    Duration                                 : 1 h 45 min
    Bit rate                                 : 27.5 kb/s
    Count of elements                        : 2190
    Stream size                              : 20.6 MiB (0%)
    Language                                 : English
    Default                                  : No
    Forced                                   : No
    Original source medium                   : Blu-ray
    
    Menu
    00:00:00.000                             : en:Chapter 01
    00:07:36.789                             : en:Chapter 02
    00:10:35.760                             : en:Chapter 03
    00:15:39.813                             : en:Chapter 04
    00:19:58.071                             : en:Chapter 05
    00:25:32.572                             : en:Chapter 06
    00:29:56.961                             : en:Chapter 07
    00:32:10.470                             : en:Chapter 08
    00:34:51.756                             : en:Chapter 09
    00:36:18.134                             : en:Chapter 10
    00:45:03.742                             : en:Chapter 11
    00:46:43.884                             : en:Chapter 12
    00:51:21.203                             : en:Chapter 13
    00:55:12.392                             : en:Chapter 14
    00:57:29.904                             : en:Chapter 15
    01:03:31.474                             : en:Chapter 16
    01:07:16.032                             : en:Chapter 17
    01:08:53.546                             : en:Chapter 18
    01:10:35.648                             : en:Chapter 19
    01:15:15.344                             : en:Chapter 20
    01:17:46.244                             : en:Chapter 21
    01:24:11.421                             : en:Chapter 22
    01:26:12.125                             : en:Chapter 23
    01:29:41.376                             : en:Chapter 24
    01:33:14.630                             : en:Chapter 25
    01:35:54.039                             : en:Chapter 26
    01:37:32.680                             : en:Chapter 27
    
     
  4. cucnz

    cucnz Active Member

    ppl keep saying it wont do dvhe 7 but its playing those the same as dvhe 8 rips
    ie works fine for awhile then stutter audio issues WHEN DV and DA used ......DV and the 5.1 track on same mkv works fine ,even with dvhe7 rips

    classic example is the LOTR /Hobbit movies out now
     
  5. ammar11

    ammar11 Member

    Yeah I don't know, using Zidoo player from my collection:

    Triggers DV without any stutters or lagging:
    • Venom (TBC)
    • Gemini Man
    Doesn't trigger DV and plays in HDR10 instead but also without any stutters or lagging:
    • Back to the Future Trilogy
    • Saving Private Ryan
    Triggers DV with stutters or lagging:
    • The Matrix - (only one chapter e.g. while at Neo's office building early in the movie, the rest is okay)
    • Fellowship of the Ring - Disc 1 (always starts after about 5 minutes even if I skip chapter, other episodes are expected to be the same)
    Not even has DV but still stutters or lagging:
    • Attack of the Clones (to be fair I've only watched one scene and the problem it happens everytime, not sure if it's the whole movie)
    All with Dolby Atmos.

    Again, all this problem go away if I use Kodi's native player.
     
    Last edited: Dec 3, 2020
  6. DaMacFunkin

    DaMacFunkin Active Member

    Mute point really as you say Kodi doesn’t recognise the Dolby Vision information and that combination of Dolby Vision and TrueHD or Flac audio is the problem.
     
  7. ammar11

    ammar11 Member

    Yeah but Venom and Gemini Man works with Zidoo player though, with DV triggered. We were talking about profiles so I was hoping someone could tell me if the difference with them is the profile?
     
  8. DaMacFunkin

    DaMacFunkin Active Member

    Hi, both Gemini Man and Venom are Profile 7 MEL titles, Gemini Man is 60fps - this problem might be with DV titles that have a refresh rate at 23.976 / 24hz so let’s keep this title out of the equation for now.

    Venom, I haven’t tested yet, on the last firmware 046 we all had titles that worked and titles that didn’t I Watched the Matrix all the way through (Mel) but on the 066 firmware that goes choppy all the same.
     
  9. ammar11

    ammar11 Member

    Ah I see, makes sense. I'll try Venom again sometime, I think I was on firmware 046 at the time.

    Sneaked out of work a few minutes (I work from home lol) and did some testings.

    I purposely choose HDR setting as Mapping HDR10. This is solely to take Dolby Vision out of the equation. Using Zidoo player, Fellowship of the Ring played with the same stutters and lags still.

    Then I purposely choose HDR settings as VS1o Engine and LLDV. This is solely to force Dolby Vision into all content. Using Kodi player, Fellowship of the Ring played flawlessly (although colours are washed out).

    It seems Zidoo player stutters and lags even with DV off. Not jumping to conclusions here, but maybe the devs can use the information.

    Anyway, for those who really want to watch The Lord of the Rings and The Hobbit trilogies and don't mind about not having DV, you can try to use ZDMC. Go to Settings > Player and turn off External Player to have Kodi's native player instead of Zidoo player. Just an option while we wait for a fix.

    EDIT: Makes me wonder, because my Attack of the Clones doesn't have DV but has the same stutter and lags problem, could it actually caused solely by the Dolby Atmos? It's the only non-DV title with the problem though. It also plays fine on my laptop and TV.
     
    Last edited: Dec 3, 2020
  10. Rob W

    Rob W Member

    Anyone know fix for -
    Added ext4 formatted SSD. Samba share is working fine for reads and write but in HT 4.0 when I try and set custom directory to the SSD I get error
    "The directory you selected does not have permission to write, and the poster can not be saved"

    It was working fine (HT 4.0) when android formatted the drive as fat32 but this was slow and I want +4GB files so need solution to format from zidoo Z9x as ext4 or way to fix permissions.
     
  11. Markswift2003

    Markswift2003 Moderator Beta test group Contributor

    You're better off having the Custom Directory stored locally on the Zidoo in storage:// or a sub-directory in storage:// - much quicker.
     
  12. Rob W

    Rob W Member

    I fixed it by switching to NTFS. Seems ext2/3/4 all will require root to set permissions.

    Do you really think it will be quicker on internal storage than a SSD connected on the SATA port? I will always have a disk attached so doesn't matter which I use really just want to get it off the network devices.

    Unrelated Edit - Samba speed was 60 - 65 MB on Fat32, 90 -95 MB on ext4 and 95 - 100MB on NTFS.
     
  13. Markswift2003

    Markswift2003 Moderator Beta test group Contributor

    When you said "Samba share is working..." I assumed you had the SSD in a NAS box rather than connected direct.

    I'd still keep the poster directory on the internal storage - not sure which would be faster (depends on architecture and memory chips) but my gut feeling is that internal storage would be a bit faster. Worth a try both ways.
     
  14. Ercüment Akyürek

    Ercüment Akyürek New Member

    Hello, I'm having trouble installing the new z9x • I have a Sony xe9305 TV. When I do DV in the HDR setting I made, the white background turns pink when playing the movie. Color gamut is distorted. Can you help This about problem. Thanks
     
  15. cucnz

    cucnz Active Member

  16. chinkw1

    chinkw1 Member

    My Zidoo Z9s when display 1080p, it's capable of YUV444, 12 Bits, ITU 709.

    But, when display 2160p, it only can do YUV444, 8Bits, ITU 709.

    I wonder why?

    If it's the limitations of Z9s, can Z9x display 2160p at YUV444, 12 Bits, ITU 709 pls?
     
  17. Ercüment Akyürek

    Ercüment Akyürek New Member

    Hello, good day everyone, I received my Z9X player that I ordered on Friday. I have a Sony XE9305 and Oppo 203 UHD player as a TV. The main reason I chose the Z9X was DV support. There are a few settings that I do not understand in the operation of the device, I would like your help.

    When I run a full 4K UHD Bluray data media (with Movie DV feature) or 4K UHD blu ray disc (with movie DV feature) with the Oppo 203, my TV automatically switches to Dolby Vision mode in the picture settings, Dolby Vision logo signal appears and disappears if the TV is on the top right. it wouldn't let you change the settings. So DV was doing a superb job on its algorithm over oppo.

    When I make the recommended settings on the Z9X (selected in the HDR-Auto tab), although there is a DV in a media, the picture is very good, but the Dolby Vision tab is not displayed in the picture settings on the TV. The DV signal does not light up like the Oppo. In short, the movie is not in DV mode but in the TV's own settings (cinema pro) Of course, all HDMI cables etc. supporters are compatible.
    Again, when I leave Auto in the HDR tab settings and switch to '' Dolby Vision VS10 Engine For HDR mode, this time the DV signal lights up on the TV, the picture mode on the TV switches to Dolby Vision Mode, but the entire color algorithm of the film is broken, the screen turns into rainbow colors.


    In short, it may be Auto in HDR settings and the VS10 engine is running at the back, but it may not be reflected on the screen, but the image is playing with a DV algorithm or there is a possibility that there is a problem with the device. As a former plasmaer and still looking for those images, I like DV's color and lighting algorithm. I would like you to have your views. Thanks in advance. :)
     
  18. DaMacFunkin

    DaMacFunkin Active Member

    Zidoo Z9X can not play Dolby Vision from 4K blu ray files, only HDR10.
     
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  19. Ercüment Akyürek

    Ercüment Akyürek New Member

    thanks for the answer, what does dolby vision mean in this device then what does it do
     
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  20. DaMacFunkin

    DaMacFunkin Active Member

    You can learn to rip your Blu-ray to single track mkv but it doesn’t play them very well at the moment,
    Probably the best thing it does is LLDV but most highly specified tvs don’t need this.
     
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