No playback for too many files

Discussion in 'ZIDOO X8' started by piknockyou, Apr 6, 2017.

  1. piknockyou

    piknockyou New Member

    Hello,

    I got my X8 today and I am disappointed. :(
    There are too many files I can not play.
    See the table attached.
    I also uploaded the mediainfos of all videos I tried too play: A .rar including .txts.

    1) Why no playback?
    2) Do you have any solution?
    3) Is there any alternative player?

    I am really excited regarding your responses.

    Cheers.
     

    Attached Files:

  2. HaoSs

    HaoSs Well-Known Member Beta test group Contributor

    managed to play some high L5.1 with mx player. Some from zidoo reported the soc capable only of L4.1 , Not sure where the truth is, probably somewhere in the middle
     
  3. piknockyou

    piknockyou New Member

    1) And this is for all Zidoo products?
    2) any alternative player? (hardware)
     
  4. HaoSs

    HaoSs Well-Known Member Beta test group Contributor

    1) zidoo has multiple SOC's , the one on x8/x9s/x10 is the latest from realtek. and probably is the best one from all of them
    2) can't give you one, some say nvidia shield, but i did not test it myself, and even that one has its problems, you won't find a SOC that plays all files.
    Probably for best compatibility you will need to go far a intel NUC ( or similar ), or build your own HTPC using intel platform
     
  5. piknockyou

    piknockyou New Member

    Is an intel NUC as userfriendly as Zidoo?
    Can I use it as a Media Player with a remote control?
     
  6. HaoSs

    HaoSs Well-Known Member Beta test group Contributor

    not really, it runs windows... so its like a PC. The are airmouses that work with PC tho. but the interface , unless you are running kodi 24/7 will be the windows interface
     
  7. piknockyou

    piknockyou New Member

    Thanks. I already got a pretty good Notebook (Acer V17 Nitro Black Edition), but the GPU (GTX960M) seems to be out of date, thus taking the HEVC decoding to the CPU instead of carrying it out on the GPU. Which means some 4K-files with high bitrates stutter. :(
    I do not want to get a "new" PC.
    I'll do some research
     
  8. gaki

    gaki Member

    High Profile 10 bits (Hi10p) is popular amongst anime fans but not well supported by many platforms (such as ARM or Atom).
    It's a well known limitation because there's no hardware decoder, it's has to be done by the CPU in software mode.
    Hence Intel or AMD x86 CPU are recommended for Hi10p decoding.
     
  9. piknockyou

    piknockyou New Member

  10. piknockyou

    piknockyou New Member

    Hello there,

    I have an X8.

    I am not able to play any AVC High10@Lx files with the Native Player.

    I am able to play any AVC High10@Lx files with the ZDMC --> DVD-Player.
    But as higher the overall bit rates as more artifacts, judders, sound interruptions I experience.

    I would like to make clear:

    I am not referring to anything like:
    • AVC Main@L5.1
    • AVC High @L4
    • AVC High @ L5
    • AVC High @ L5.1
    • HEVC Main 10@L5.1@Main
    • or similar.
    I can play those fluently with the native player with bit rates up to 250 Mbps.

    I am specifically referring to:
    • AVC High 10@L4
    • AVC High 10@L4.1
    • AVC High 10@L5
    • AVC High 10@L5.1
    • or similar
    with bit rates starting from 6000 or 7000 kbps.

    Examples:

    These work (low bit rate):
    http://ps-auxw.de/10bit-h264-sample/

    I am having trouble with this one:
    https://www.koi-sama.net/files/hi10/[1080p][16_REF_L5.1][FLAC_5.1]Suzumiya Haruhi no Shoushitsu BD OP.mkv

    Here my poof video:

    • slight judders in the beginning (when the camera zooms out)
    • sound interruptions and artifacts from 00:22 to 00:27
    • sound interruptions and artifacts from 00:56 to 01:00
    1) Does anyone have any files like this?
    2) Does anyone else experience this?
    3) Is there any solution to this problem?
    4) What about the X9S?

    I can send you some more samples from my personal collection with higher bit rates and thus severe problems. (private message)


    Cheers.
     
    Last edited: Apr 8, 2017
  11. HaoSs

    HaoSs Well-Known Member Beta test group Contributor

    well, you are deliberately testing a unsupported format, not sure how you expect them to work, most animes will not be in that format, unless you are actively searching for them , 99% of the anime i get from different fansub groups are
    Code:
    General
    
    Format                                   : Matroska
    Format version                           : Version 4 / Version 2
    File size                                : 547 MiB
    Duration                                 : 23mn 53s
    Overall bit rate                         : 3 202 Kbps
    Encoded date                             : UTC 2010-02-22 21:41:29
    Writing application                      : no_variable_data
    Writing library                          : no_variable_data
    Attachment                               : Yes
    
    Video
    ID                                       : 1
    Format                                   : AVC
    Format/Info                              : Advanced Video Codec
    Format profile                           : High@L4.0
    Format settings, CABAC                   : Yes
    Format settings, ReFrames                : 4 frames
    Codec ID                                 : V_MPEG4/ISO/AVC
    Duration                                 : 23mn 53s
    Nominal bit rate                         : 3 072 Kbps
    Width                                    : 1 920 pixels
    Height                                   : 1 080 pixels
    Display aspect ratio                     : 16:9
    Frame rate mode                          : Variable
    Frame rate                               : 23.810 fps
    Original frame rate                      : 23.976 fps
    Color space                              : YUV
    Chroma subsampling                       : 4:2:0
    Bit depth                                : 8 bits
    Scan type                                : Progressive
    Bits/(Pixel*Frame)                       : 0.062
    Writing library                          : x264 core 120 r2120 0c7dab9
    Default                                  : Yes
    Forced                                   : No
    DURATION                                 : 00:23:53.767000000
    NUMBER_OF_FRAMES                         : 34377
    NUMBER_OF_BYTES                          : 550324233
    _STATISTICS_WRITING_APP                  : no_variable_data
    _STATISTICS_WRITING_DATE_UTC             : 1970-01-01 00:00:00
    _STATISTICS_TAGS                         : BPS DURATION NUMBER_OF_FRAMES NUMBER_OF_BYTES
    
    Audio
    ID                                       : 2
    Format                                   : AAC
    Format/Info                              : Advanced Audio Codec
    Format profile                           : LC
    Codec ID                                 : A_AAC
    Duration                                 : 23mn 53s
    Channel(s)                               : 2 channels
    Channel positions                        : Front: L R
    Sampling rate                            : 44.1 KHz
    Compression mode                         : Lossy
    Language                                 : Japanese
    Default                                  : Yes
    Forced                                   : No
    DURATION                                 : 00:23:53.92500000
    

    And play just fine on my box. if you really need that specific format, you will have to go intel

    P.S. L5.1 will not work ( reported as hardware limitation ) from what i tested with kodi 17 and mx player:
    L4.1 plays , not 100% perfect, but i'd say its watchable ( seems to play better under MX player than kodi 17, but it's using software decoding a.k.a using CPU raw power, so playback may not be consistent with different animes, )
    L4.0 plays fine. same SW decoding reported by mx player, also works fine in kodi
     
    Last edited: Apr 8, 2017
  12. HaoSs

    HaoSs Well-Known Member Beta test group Contributor

    merged threads from x9s with this one, they have same SOC, playback is the same
     
    Last edited: Apr 8, 2017
  13. piknockyou

    piknockyou New Member

    Thanks for your reply, but ...
    is not true.
    I sent you a link with a .rar containing 3 samples of my collection.
    I have a lot more.
    This is the format for a lot of high quality rips with high bit rates.

    So if you say there is no media player out there capable of playing this file, I have only 2 options:
    1. get rips with different format
    2. convert the existing ones

    Question:
    Do you have any recommendation for a good conversion-software with no quality-losses?
     
    Last edited: Apr 8, 2017
  14. HaoSs

    HaoSs Well-Known Member Beta test group Contributor

    encoding will take some time, and will require powerfull pc ( probably with 8 threads+ ). you can start here: http://www.h264encoder.com/ . but this topic is allot more complicated than that. never tried on anime tho. they are shorter then most videos.


    P.S. there may be a media player that can play high L.5.1 , i, personally don't know one, probably nvidia shield can ? but can't recommend something i haven't tested
     
    Last edited: Apr 8, 2017
  15. piknockyou

    piknockyou New Member

  16. HaoSs

    HaoSs Well-Known Member Beta test group Contributor

    With hardware decoding off. You will use software decoding. Not sure that CPU can do that. Even some powerfull older desktop CPU struggle with those files. Let me know how it goes.
     
  17. gaki

    gaki Member

    Refer to this thread : http://forum.kodi.tv/showthread.php?tid=165716
    There's examples of platforms that can handle this codec.

    For instance, the Tegra X1 and many old celerons can play these encoded videos.
    It's more a matter of hardware architecture than pure hardware performance.
     
  18. piknockyou

    piknockyou New Member

    I just got my Shield!
    Plays my videos with no flaw!
    I did not even had to turn of hardware decoding at Kodi.
    I'm so happy!
    I'll try to find some Anime with higher bit rates!
    Cheers
     

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