DMP A6 Standard vs Master Edition using external DAC?

Discussion in 'Eversolo DMP-A6' started by Apdroid, Aug 13, 2023.

  1. Apdroid

    Apdroid New Member

    Is there a difference between the DMP A6 standard and Master edition using external DAC?

    I have the A6 standard as a streamer and I am not completely happy with it. Either i have a very nice experience, or the sound gets thin and bright!
    I'm wondering if the Master edition is the better option
    , like will it improve alot or sell it and look for another streamer?

    I have already run 50 to 60 hrs of break-in time.

    My Current Set-up:
    Streamer- Eversolo DMP A6
    DAC- Holo Audio Spring 3
    Amp- Hegel H390
    Speaker- Dali Rubicon 6
     
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  2. Nice Monkey

    Nice Monkey Well-Known Member Beta test group

    Yes there is one big difference: You will be paying a lot more for it. :D

    Will sound exactly the same. ;)
     
  3. Mister L

    Mister L Active Member

    DAC 2.800
    AMP 6.500
    Speakers 4.000

    Streamer.....859

    What happened? :p
     
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  4. Figasse

    Figasse New Member

    I was in almost same situation as yours: some of my tracks sounded so bright that I was thinking about returning my A6. Then I found a knob to disable Atmos/360 in my Amazon music app and never been happier after.
     
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  5. Mike Hanson

    Mike Hanson New Member

    I asked this same question (specifically wondering whether the better clocks would improve signal to the external DAC). This was the most useful post in that discussion:

     
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  6. edliw

    edliw New Member

    I noticed same bright and thin sound comparing to Wiim Pro connected to Hegel HD20 DAC and then to Hegel H80 amp, speakers are Dynavoice DF-8. I then omitted the HD20 and used internal Eversolo DAC directly to H80 and it was much better. Well, it was not bad before, but I thought I lost some magic anyway, maybe I just liked Wiim Pro coax out better then Eversolo? It seems Eversolo doesn't like our Hegels :) I will check it further with my other amps and dacs. Hegels are considered opened&detailed so maybe just too much of a detail with Eversolo...
     
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  7. Hannibal_

    Hannibal_ Member

    The better clock could improve SPDIF connection to a DAC.
    Depends on DAC too.
    My rega reclocking DAC is not sensitive to clock quality, my mytek (probably doesn’t reclock) is sensitive to clock quality.
     
  8. Nice Monkey

    Nice Monkey Well-Known Member Beta test group

    The SPDIF interface connects to the SOC having its own clock. It for sure does nothing except when using the Internal DAC. :rolleyes:
    Just read the details above how this all works.

    An external DAC running directly on SPDIF clocking will never sound that good as SPDIF isn't exactly known for stability with Optical being the worst choice.
     
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  9. Hannibal_

    Hannibal_ Member


    Perhaps an admin can give the final judgement, please? I think you misinform people.

    Normally SPDIF should benefit from femto/good clocks.
    Is pretty normal. And given the soundstage and smoothness I am pretty sure that is the case.

    resellers also state this btw
     
  10. Nice Monkey

    Nice Monkey Well-Known Member Beta test group

    For SPDIF Input to the DMP-A6 those femtoclocks will do their job. Also for USB Input but never for Ouptut via USB or SPDIF.
    A good reseller should understand the difference.
    Yes femtoclock on the mainboard would work, DMP-A6 just is using a good quality crystal which is above all important for HDMI Audio output.

    But please go ahead and buy a Gold version for this setup. It is a free world.
     
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  11. Nutul

    Nutul Well-Known Member

    You can never even near femto-precision with a shared clock on SPDIF: not enough bandwidth... that's basically why everybody "wants" femto-second precision clocks, preferably onboard.
     
  12. Hannibal_

    Hannibal_ Member


    As said is not normally the case in streamers. The SPDIF benefits greatly from better clocks.
    On coax, btw, nutul, not optical (that is restricted).

    But asked the question, tbc.

    don’t worry, I already have a master edition and it is ultra smooth and has great soundstage and detail. So whatever the outcome is I’m happy with the unit anyway.
     
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  13. Hannibal_

    Hannibal_ Member

     
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  14. Hannibal_

    Hannibal_ Member

    As said, I asked support directly.
    The femto clocks ARE used for the SPDIF out.

    This is logical too, for the SPDIF connection, as mentioned by people here before, is a bit of a problematic interface (old too) since clock & data are running over the same connection (wire if you like). The DAC needs to lock on the signal (phase lock loop) and therefore the incoming clock needs to be as good as possible. Some DACs reclock (my rega does) making ultra high clock quality less of an issue.

    SPDIF is really not the best designed interface with current Knowledge.
    But the manufacturers did make it function well (up to 24/192) with low noise /low jitter (good clock helps a lot there).

    USB also has intrinsic issues. Particularly noise. From what I hear and read, Eversolo managed to deliver a very clean, well controlled usb output. When I am back from my holiday I’ll compare the both, usb & SPDIF, in my system. I have never used the usb input on my DAC, for my streamers never had usb output. The Solo does, so let’s find out how good that sounds. I am not so much interested in sample rates higher than 192KHz but more how good the match is for my DAC.

    Cables are already delivered so I can start the test directly when I am at home.
     

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  15. Hannibal_

    Hannibal_ Member

    For those interested:

    By coincidence I was called by an audio friend from our hifi group. He works in a hifi shop that recently reopened (was closed because they moved the shop). Before I asked if they could deliver the solo but due to the shortage they couldn’t (I think they also did not want to build on additional stock because of the move).

    I bought mine elsewhere (where I could get my hands on one ).

    But currently they have both versions in their shop and were able to compare them.

    He found the normal great and the ME even better. Fantastic was the word I believe.

    both with internal and external dac.
    Differences described: ME bigger soundstage and better instrument separation. While the normal was already outperforming stuff closer to the 1000€ mark.

    I recognize the instrument separation very much and the soundstage is also improved versus my old streamers. But they were different brands
     

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