Regarding DSD Native support of USB external DAC

Well if you only wish to use HDMI with stereo and multichannel DSD then the best you will get is DSD64. It's by design unfortunately and spelled out clearly in the DMP-A6 product page. This information has already been posted and options to get above DSD64 have been suggested. You chose not to try those suggestions.

As far as you not being alone in the world is kind of obvious. Not sure what type of point you are trying to make with that statement. If the DMP-A6 doesn't give you the options you desire look for something else. But chances are there will be compromises made with other choices.

 

"If the DMP-A6 doesn't give you the options you desire look for something else."

You completely mis the point :-(

I talk about "a requst" and it not up to you to judige that!

 

I'm not missing any point that you made. I'm not judging you either. I didn't see any request just a question in regard to if DSD with HDMI can be changed with a firmware update. You have options. If you do not want to try them due to other family members using the system then you're "stuck" with DSD64 with HDMI. Real world problems here.

 

I also use only HDMI in my receiver (Cary), because it doesn't have usb. And if you read this theme you'll see that Eversolo can't play native DSD over USB. On the paper it can. But most of the non-chinese dacs receive only PCM. And I don't see happy posts: "Wow, I wrote a post here and my dac plays native DSD now!"

 

That's news to me. I get DSD just fine using USB from my DMP-A6 to a Marantz SA-KI Ruby CD/SACD player (used as a DAC).

 

TBH, some of you may be right, and some others, obviously, could be wrong.
I have only one question, though:
Why buy a streamer / player with an incorporated good to very-good DAC, yet STILL USE IT AS A MERE TRANSPORT, complaining it doesn't do audio routing or DDA?!?!?!
Buy a plain transport. That is meant to do all the stuff you are complaining about.
Yes, it is sad, but it is also true. SOme devices are made for a purpose, and you can neither pretend they do everything else, nor complain if they don´t. Easy as pie.
/rant

 

Here we speak about dmp-a6. It doesn’t have “incorporated very good dac”. Unless why eversolo produce dmp-a8, a-10 etc?
And I bought it when it was only one model.

 

The DMP-A6 Gen2 is an improvement over the Gen1. It has a great internal DAC and sounds very good.
The DMP-A8 already changes the concept considerably. If your intention is to have a pure streamer to an integrated amplifier and use its internal DAC, it makes no sense to buy the DMP-A8; it makes more sense to buy a DMP-A6 Gen2 or the Master Edition version. The DMP-A8 has an excellent preamp section and makes sense if you want to connect it directly to a power amp. The same goes for the DMP-A10. Or a T8 as a pure transport to an external DAC.

 

The DMP-A6 Gen1 and Gen2 have the same ES9038Q2M DACs. Which is an excellent DAC.

 

My point was not "how good the A6's or A8's or whatever's DAC is". If you pay attention at how far we've reached with on-chip DACs, you'll probably come to the conclusion that DACs are no more a problem: we know how to manufacture a good DAC. Full stop.
The point(s) is(are)
1. people constantly complaining the A6 does not do DDA / digital audio routing - IT WAS NOT MEANT TO DO SO.
2. people constantly using it as a transport, paired to an external DAC - happy you, happy me, but you have entirely wasted the price of the internal DAC. In other words, it's like you buy a Mercedes because it's cool, but then you load it on a trailer, and use your old Ford to drive it around... again: happy you, happy me; but it is not the way to go.
Although point 2 may leave room for s=discussion, on many aspects (last but not least the fact that the T8 was not around at the beginning of our story...), what really drives me nuts is point 1.: continuous, relentless, arrogant complaints about what the A6 (or the A8, or the A10, almost the same story everywhere) doesn't do, as "the <insert here whatever brand/model> already does this since years, and at a fraction of the price".

Forgive me, please, but I really cannot cope with this lack of knowledge and technical education. It is me, I know... but allow me, for a second: it is also you, for the vast majority of the times.
Take a second or two to deeply focus on the status quo.

 

Hear, hear. I am aware there are some eversolo DMP-A6 Gen 1 owners who have an ever-growing list of features and functions they'd like the device to do. However, in some (but not all) cases what the box can and can't do is limited by its original hardware design.

The eversolo team, has over the years implemented a lot of the ideas from their customer suggestions but what is possibly not well understood by the less technically savvy is some ideas (as good as they may be) just can't be supported by the hardware. A few examples of this in the DMP-A6 Gen 1 are HDMI ARC, I2S via HDMI and auto Room EQ for native DSD. The physical hardware in the device simply isn't there to support it. As @Nutul and others have explained if you aren't happy with the DMP-A6's internal DAC then simply use it as a transport. I use mine that way, however not because I'm dissatisfied with its internal DAC performance but more out of convenience as I listen to both stereo and multichannel music via the HDMI output into an external decoder/amplifier. This simply saves me from having to swap configurations in the middle of a listening session. Yeah, call me lazy, but at my mature years I'd rather recline back in my listening chair with a glass of good red wine, relax and enjoy the music rather than be constantly reconfiguring my listing setup.

If by chance you've outgrown your DMP-A6 Gen 1 (and that's entirely possible), then perhaps it's time to think about upgrading to a streamer that has most if not all the features, functions and performance you desire. IMHO, it's pointless sticking with a product you no longer like and bleating about your dissatisfaction here isn't going to magically correct those inadequacies with the existing hardware limitations. I'm quite sure there's a market for used DMP-A6 Gen 1 units so consider parting with your "troublesome" unit you no longer like and upgrade to something else better suited to your need and expectations. Life's too short to be troubled with audiophile issues.

 

From the answers to my post here I guess that you are all not the real users but the people who work with the manufacturer. Or you have so much free time to give people useless advices.

1. I bought dmp-a6 a few years ago when it was the only one model from eversolo
2. I don't ask for new features. I only speak about stated specs for this device (native DSD support over USB)
3. When I say "very good quality dac" I mean overal quality of the sound using this dac in this device. This is not about only the chip and it's number. And I think every real user agree with me that the sound quality of dmp-a8 is better. Even you use it whithout preamp.

In your answers you are trying to say a lot instead of answering to my question. So please, do not give advices to anyone if you are not capable enough for this.

I know a lot about eversolo and other devices. And I know that eversolo has a transport - T8. But it's price is much higher than for dmp-a6. And could you tell me will I have real native DSD support there? Can I use dacs in my Parasound, Chord, SPL ets to recieve DSD from it?

 

I own two DMP-A6s and do not work for Eversolo.

Your point? I bought my first DMP-A6 a few years ago as well.

When I play a ripped SACD file with my DMP-A6 it shows DSF DSD64. I'd say that's DSD. What is your idea of "native" DSD? Are you playing DSD files or rips of SACDs?

I've never heard the DMP-A8 so I can't say if it sounds better than the DMP-A6 or not. Have you heard the DMP-A8 in your system? If you're not a "real" user how would you know?

Not sure who you are addressing here. If you feel you're so better informed than anyone else in this thread why are you even here?

Once again if you know so much about Eversolo and other devices why are you even here asking questions? If you know so much why are you having so much trouble getting DSD output? Do you have your DMP-A6 set for "Native (DSD Native)" in the "USB DAC output" settings or "Native" in "DSD audio" "HDMI output" settings?

 

A processor is primarily purchased for multichannel audio. Two systems in one—multichannel and stereo—are always a compromise. HDMI is the most finicky and complex connector, with different security and device recognition protocols. Changing its functionality simply by updating the software (firmware) is not possible. In your case, you need to add any stereo DAC with USB and then feed the analog signal to your processor. This is where you'll get DSD 512.

 

I heard dmp-a8 in my system. And it’s really better. And as I wrote before I’ve got also Parasound, Chord, SPL with there own dacs. Thats why don’t need to buy a8. And all of these dacs can’t receive dsd (sacd rips enough for me) from eversolo. You can read from the posts above I’m not the only one. I think before writing posts here we all tried to change every option in dsd settings of our devices.
I know about the purpose of av receivers. That’s why I bought one of the best av processors for the audio - Cary Audio Cinema 12. It’s sound is better than many pure audio devices have. And I have a possibility to listen multichannel records in dsd with it. But still can’t get native dsd over usb. I asked about transport T8, but it seems to me that the situation there is the same…

 

I was going to chime in here and offer an explanation as to possibly why you aren't getting DSD via USB from your DMP-A6, but it appears that you by your own admission already know all the answers to everything there is to know about the eversolo DMP-A6. So to avoid being the recipient of your wrath I'll be keeping my thoughts to myself on that.

As for the Cary Audio Cinema 12 processor. https://caryaudio.eu/portfolio/cinema-12/
According to the specifications on Cary Audio's website it has no USB inputs and doesn't decode native DSD, so I don't know what you are going on about. But in parting I'll offer you some free advice. If you seem to be having "issues" with your DMP-A6, why don't you get rid of it and buy the DMP-A8 that you say is "really better"? Problem solved .....

 

Personally, I have no problems with the USB output of the DMP-A6 Gen2. It is connected via USB to an SMSL DAC and natively handles all DSD files up to 512 without any problems. I also listen to Super Audio CDs in 5.1 and it is connected via HDMI to the Denon AVC-A1HD and on the amplifier's display it says DSD native and it is spectacular. I have no idea what you are doing and doing with your setup!!

 

No, that's not always the case.
Mine processor, for example, has a "Pure Audio / Direct mode" and stereo XLR inputs.
In other words, it has both worlds.

But I also have a physical disc player with a very basic 8-year-old media player that can play audio files from the NAS,
and can play Stereo audio files higher than DSD64 via the HDMI output.
Hence the question: why is the modern and very comprehensive Eversolo A6 MP limited on the HDMI output, while USB can pass through higher than DSD64 according to the specs?

And it's unfair to bring up the much more expensive T8 now, because it wasn't even considered when the A6 was introduced and purchased.
Perhaps Eversolo traded the A6 for a T6 ;-)

 

Why? I'll explain right away. HDMI output was created primarily for multichannel playback, and all 5.1 Super Audio CDs are DSD64. DSD128/256/512 files are stereo only, and if I want to listen to them, I use either the internal DAC or an external DAC via USB audio output. The DMP-A6 is the only audio streamer that has an audio-only HDMI output. The DMP-A8, DMP-10, and T8 don't have any HDMI audio outputs. Otherwise, you'll need to upgrade to the Zidoo media player series, like the UHD8000 or Z3000 Pro, which have a secondary audio-only HDMI output. They also natively output DSD files, but I don't know if they're limited to DSD64.

 

Eversolo was designed as an audio device for audiophiles, with an emphasis on digital outputs to the DAC and analog outputs from the built-in DACs. I compared a standard PCM stereo track via HDMI and via USB to an external DAC; the USB connection performed better. So, you can create an all-in-one device, but some features will be better than others. Therefore, I decided that HDMI is only for multichannel audio.