Eversolo DMP A6 Gen 2

Discussion in 'Eversolo DMP-A6' started by Jarrod, Dec 30, 2024.

  1. Bill Mac

    Bill Mac Active Member

    @RolandG is saying that his DMP-A6 does not sound thin or bright in his system. One doesn't need to do a comparison to the DMP-A6 ME Gen2 to say that.
     
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  2. TODD LEWIS

    TODD LEWIS Member

    The ME Gen1 and Gen2 have better clocks/circuitry for analog.
     
  3. Nice Monkey

    Nice Monkey Well-Known Member Beta test group

    I could also hear the difference between Standard and Master editions with the original models. So no surprise or anything new here.

    If gen2 improves it over gen1 is not tested here.
     
  4. Purité Audio

    Purité Audio Well-Known Member

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  5. TODD LEWIS

    TODD LEWIS Member

    I was comparing A8 and A6ME Gen1 via coax. First day of testing I could hear a difference that the A8 was a bit fuller. The second day of testing I didn't hear a difference.
    Maybe my detailed hearing was off, ;)
     
  6. Nutul

    Nutul Well-Known Member

    Maybe you were just less biased...
     
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  7. TODD LEWIS

    TODD LEWIS Member

    Could be a subconscious bias because of the price difference or old age. I returned the A8 since I'm only using it for mostly transport.
    I'll keep the A6ME gen1 and have ordered a A6ME gen2 to compare and most likely keep both for 2 different systems I have.
     
  8. Nice Monkey

    Nice Monkey Well-Known Member Beta test group

    Both setups running via Coax will be using the crystal clock of the source connected via it. Using a A6 SE or A6 ME or A8 will make hardly a difference in any way as the most critical element is always the same. The only exception is the A10 with a smarter setup for various inputs.

    You need to connect via USB to use the XMOS re-clocking to be done. Only an Internal source does use XMOS + Internal Crystals too.
     
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  9. Nice Monkey

    Nice Monkey Well-Known Member Beta test group

    With what setup? Only using either USB Input or Internal Player will make use of the internal crystals with both A6 models. It is fairly clear to hear the difference then with good quality albums. XMOS plus good clocks made me hear first time also easily the difference between FLAC and 320kbit MP3.

    It is the most misunderstood setup of DAC's: Who is providing the clock for DAC decoding?
    Had to teach even Zidoo/Eversolo engineers how that actually worked (with the UHD3000 firmware using XMOS first time). Only using the A10 design XMOS is implemented optimal.
     
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  10. Purité Audio

    Purité Audio Well-Known Member

    You really need to compare with some controls, and learn to understand exactly what measurements, propagating nonsense is just not on.
    Keith
     
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  11. Nice Monkey

    Nice Monkey Well-Known Member Beta test group

    The above is for sure not nonsense but a real fact. If you don't understand why USB via XMOS is essential then you need to study that. Lots of customers seem to have problems with the clocking source technical implementations using external DAC's.

    If one can hear differences is another topic and subjective like hell no doubts about that.
    Measurements and human perceptions are not always in line also that is a fact. Not going to discuss that in anyway. Your opinion is as valid as mine here.
     
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  12. Purité Audio

    Purité Audio Well-Known Member

    All this technology is mature and solved, nothing to discuss unless the component is the poorest possible design which Eversolo isn’t.
    Compare with controls, ie no looking.
    Keith
     
  13. TODD LEWIS

    TODD LEWIS Member

    If using the DMPs to stream from a local NAS over the same network which clocks would be used?
     
  14. Nice Monkey

    Nice Monkey Well-Known Member Beta test group

    Using a NAS, local HDD or a Streaming service does not matter. I presume you use the local Internal Player with Analog output.
    This will be using the crystals of the DMP-A6 DAC as all flows run via XMOS (being Silver or Gold).


    If you would connect to an External DAC:
    - Using SPDIF will mostly run on the Motherboard clock of the DMP-A6 with jitter added.
    - Using USB with the DAC having XMOS it will use the clock of that External DAC

    If you use the DMP-A6 as an External DAC
    - Connected via SPDIF it will use the clock of the source (a TV or CD-player e.g.) with jitter added
    - Connected via USB it will use the DMP-A6 Internal crystals (being Silver or Gold).

    Only the green cases take advantage of DMP-A6 quality crystals. The blue case depends on the external DAC and may be inferior or superior. The Red cases don't take advantage and above all using Optical SPDIF is the worst as it adds a lot of jitter.
     
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  15. TODD LEWIS

    TODD LEWIS Member

    Most of the time I use external DAC on my Marantz AV10 (with Dirac configured). So HDMI or Coax.
     
  16. Nice Monkey

    Nice Monkey Well-Known Member Beta test group

    In both cases the motherboard clock of the DMP-A6 will be used.
    Using HDMI would be my option even for 2CH. What is your experience?
     
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  17. TODD LEWIS

    TODD LEWIS Member

    With the A6ME gen1 Coax versus HDMI, Coax seemed to be a little fuller, more bass depending on the track mix.
    DSD sounded very good via HDMI.
    I have a gen 2 coming in as well so interested in seeing how that performs.
     
  18. Purité Audio

    Purité Audio Well-Known Member

    Unless it is broken there shouldn’t be a difference, comparisons must be made unsighted and level matched ( if necessary).
    Keith
     
  19. Nice Monkey

    Nice Monkey Well-Known Member Beta test group

    The DOH (DSD over HDMI) chips implemented by DMP-A6 claim to include clock stabilization (reducing jitter of the motherboard crystal) but SPDIF on contrary adds jitter (above all optical).
    This potentially gives a better result for HDMI versus SPDIF using the same DAC.
    A TV will mostly sound (far) better via (e)ARC than via SPDIF Optical.
    I do like the HDMI sound with my Onkyo TX70.

    Agreed Keith must be compared unsighted.
     
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  20. TODD LEWIS

    TODD LEWIS Member

    Don't you plug TV directly into your Onkyo TX70 via hdmi (e)ARC?
     

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