Z9X 8K/Z30 PRO/Z3000 PRO/UHD8000 First Impressions

TBH i never use hdr 10
i have a good DV tv and honestly all non DV stuff looks so much better via VS10 so its always been on vs10 for all hdr sdr and even hlg stuff

 

I read an article where it said that the AI features give the motion pictures orange tint. Here is the quote: “However, I wasn't a huge fan of AI PQ, as it oversaturated the picture and made skin tones look somewhat orange, but this is based on personal preference.”

 

Does anyone know if this device can play SD Mpeg-2 codec that used for early version of DVD back in 00s. I tried looking at my superman adventures DVD rip in mkv, it would not let me on Z9k 4k. I want to know if this 8k version with different chip will play the SD Mpeg-2 codec for DVD rips

 

No it doesn't. I tried a sample (see media info report below) and it failed to play.

Code:

General
Complete name                            : V:\sample_960x400_ocean_with_audio.mpg
Format                                   : MPEG Video
Format version                           : Version 2
File size                                : 5.97 MiB
Duration                                 : 46 s 546 ms
Overall bit rate mode                    : Variable
Overall bit rate                         : 1 075 kb/s
Frame rate                               : 23.976 FPS
FileExtension_Invalid                    : mpgv mpv mp1v m1v mp2v m2v

Video
Format                                   : MPEG Video
Format version                           : Version 2
Format profile                           : Main@High 1440
Format settings, BVOP                    : No
Format settings, Matrix                  : Default
Format settings, GOP                     : Variable
Duration                                 : 46 s 546 ms
Bit rate mode                            : Variable
Bit rate                                 : 1 075 kb/s
Width                                    : 960 pixels
Height                                   : 400 pixels
Display aspect ratio                     : 2.40:1
Frame rate                               : 23.976 (24000/1001) FPS
Color space                              : YUV
Chroma subsampling                       : 4:2:0
Bit depth                                : 8 bits
Scan type                                : Progressive
Compression mode                         : Lossy
Bits/(Pixel*Frame)                       : 0.117
Time code of first frame                 : 00:00:00:00
GOP, Open/Closed                         : Open
GOP, Open/Closed of first frame          : Closed
Stream size                              : 5.97 MiB (100%)

 

SMH thanks for heads up, you saved me a ton of money

 

Anyone know why this file does not play successfully on the Zidoo Z9X 8K? It stops playing within a second or two.

file.io/IFilHN2F0O3z

This is a 39MB 9-second clip of the x265 10-bit video.

Code:

General
Unique ID                                : 251324300168245033224940598945880007262 (0xBD134CAEF4C5EC43CF4E34B47C68E25E)
Complete name                            : Zidoo Test File.mkv
Format                                   : Matroska
Format version                           : Version 4
File size                                : 37.6 MiB
Duration                                 : 9 s 641 ms
Overall bit rate                         : 32.8 Mb/s
Frame rate                               : 6 995.332 FPS
Movie name                               : Demon Slayer - S03E01 - Sound Hashira Tengen Uzui
Encoded date                             : 2024-01-22 11:33:21 UTC
Writing application                      : Lavf60.3.100
Writing library                          : Lavf60.3.100
ErrorDetectionType                       : Per level 1
Attachments                              : 210점심시간R.ttf / anton.TTF / berylium.ttf / Brushstroke35.ttf / BrushstrokesHeavyModbyarmonth-Black.ttf / grain.ttf / MonsterGame.TTF / rsstyle.ttf / FotManyoGyoshoStdStrpE-ExtraBold.OTF / GandhiSans-Bold.OTF / GandhiSans-BoldItalic.OTF

Video
ID                                       : 1
Format                                   : HEVC
Format/Info                              : High Efficiency Video Coding
Format profile                           : Main 10@L4@Main
Codec ID                                 : V_MPEGH/ISO/HEVC
Duration                                 : 9 s 641 ms
Bit rate                                 : 14.5 Mb/s
Width                                    : 1 920 pixels
Height                                   : 1 080 pixels
Display aspect ratio                     : 16:9
Frame rate mode                          : Variable
Frame rate                               : 6 995.332 FPS
Original frame rate                      : 23.976 (24000/1001) FPS
Color space                              : YUV
Chroma subsampling                       : 4:2:0 (Type 0)
Bit depth                                : 10 bits
Bits/(Pixel*Frame)                       : 0.001
Stream size                              : 4.74 GiB
Title                                    : OZR Encode
Writing library                          : x265 3.5+113-6a5b4e1cc:[Windows][GCC 13.2.0][64 bit] 10bit
Encoding settings                        : cpuid=1111039 / frame-threads=5 / numa-pools=32 / wpp / no-pmode / no-pme / no-psnr / no-ssim / log-level=2 / csv / csv-log-level=0 / input-csp=1 / input-res=1920x1080 / interlace=0 / total-frames=0 / level-idc=0 / high-tier=1 / uhd-bd=0 / ref=5 / no-allow-non-conformance / no-repeat-headers / annexb / no-aud / no-eob / no-eos / no-hrd / info / hash=0 / temporal-layers=0 / no-open-gop / min-keyint=23 / keyint=250 / gop-lookahead=0 / bframes=16 / b-adapt=2 / b-pyramid / bframe-bias=0 / rc-lookahead=60 / lookahead-slices=0 / scenecut=40 / no-hist-scenecut / radl=0 / no-splice / no-intra-refresh / ctu=64 / min-cu-size=8 / no-rect / no-amp / max-tu-size=32 / tu-inter-depth=3 / tu-intra-depth=3 / limit-tu=0 / rdoq-level=2 / dynamic-rd=0.00 / no-ssim-rd / signhide / no-tskip / nr-intra=0 / nr-inter=0 / no-constrained-intra / no-strong-intra-smoothing / max-merge=5 / limit-refs=0 / no-limit-modes / me=3 / subme=5 / merange=57 / temporal-mvp / no-frame-dup / no-hme / weightp / weightb / no-analyze-src-pics / deblock=-2:-2 / no-sao / no-sao-non-deblock / rd=4 / selective-sao=0 / no-early-skip / no-rskip / no-fast-intra / no-tskip-fast / no-cu-lossless / b-intra / no-splitrd-skip / rdpenalty=0 / psy-rd=2.00 / psy-rdoq=2.05 / no-rd-refine / no-lossless / cbqpoffs=-2 / crqpoffs=-2 / rc=crf / crf=13.5 / qcomp=0.72 / qpstep=4 / stats-write=0 / stats-read=0 / ipratio=1.40 / pbratio=1.30 / aq-mode=3 / aq-strength=0.85 / aq-bias-strength=1.00 / no-cutree / zone-count=0 / no-strict-cbr / qg-size=32 / no-rc-grain / qpmax=69 / qpmin=0 / no-const-vbv / sar=1 / overscan=0 / videoformat=5 / range=0 / colorprim=1 / transfer=1 / colormatrix=1 / chromaloc=1 / chromaloc-top=0 / chromaloc-bottom=0 / display-window=0 / cll=0,0 / min-luma=64 / max-luma=940 / log2-max-poc-lsb=8 / vui-timing-info / vui-hrd-info / slices=1 / no-opt-qp-pps / no-opt-ref-list-length-pps / no-multi-pass-opt-rps / scenecut-bias=0.05 / no-opt-cu-delta-qp / no-aq-motion / no-hdr10 / no-hdr10-opt / no-dhdr10-opt / no-idr-recovery-sei / analysis-reuse-level=0 / analysis-save-reuse-level=0 / analysis-load-reuse-level=0 / scale-factor=0 / refine-intra=0 / refine-inter=0 / refine-mv=1 / refine-ctu-distortion=0 / no-limit-sao / ctu-info=0 / no-lowpass-dct / refine-analysis-type=0 / copy-pic=1 / max-ausize-factor=1.0 / no-dynamic-refine / no-single-sei / no-hevc-aq / no-svt / no-field / qp-adaptation-range=1.00 / scenecut-aware-qp=0conformance-window-offsets / right=0 / bottom=0 / decoder-max-rate=0 / no-vbv-live-multi-pass / no-mcstf / no-sbrc
Language                                 : Japanese
Default                                  : Yes
Forced                                   : No
Color range                              : Limited
Color primaries                          : BT.709
Transfer characteristics                 : BT.709
Matrix coefficients                      : BT.709

Audio #1
ID                                       : 2
Format                                   : Opus
Codec ID                                 : A_OPUS
Duration                                 : 9 s 527 ms
Bit rate                                 : 181 kb/s
Channel(s)                               : 2 channels
Channel layout                           : L R
Sampling rate                            : 48.0 kHz
Frame rate                               : 14 762.884 FPS (3 SPF)
Bit depth                                : 32 bits
Compression mode                         : Lossy
Stream size                              : 60.8 MiB
Title                                    : Opus 2.0
Writing library                          : Lavf60.16.100
Language                                 : Japanese
Default                                  : Yes
Forced                                   : No
ENCODER_OPTIONS                          : --vbr --bitrate 192

Audio #2
ID                                       : 3
Format                                   : Opus
Codec ID                                 : A_OPUS
Duration                                 : 9 s 527 ms
Bit rate                                 : 181 kb/s
Channel(s)                               : 2 channels
Channel layout                           : L R
Sampling rate                            : 48.0 kHz
Frame rate                               : 14 762.779 FPS (3 SPF)
Bit depth                                : 32 bits
Compression mode                         : Lossy
Stream size                              : 60.7 MiB
Title                                    : Opus 2.0
Writing library                          : Lavf60.16.100
Language                                 : English
Default                                  : No
Forced                                   : No
Description                              : Processed by SoX
ENCODER_OPTIONS                          : --vbr --bitrate 192

Text #1
ID                                       : 4
Format                                   : arm
Codec ID                                 : S_TEXT/arm
Codec ID/Info                            : Advanced Sub Station Alpha
Bit rate                                 : 38.4 kb/s
Count of elements                        : 29693
Compression mode                         : Lossless
Stream size                              : 12.7 MiB (34%)
Title                                    : Full Subtitles [BoarHead]
Language                                 : English
Default                                  : Yes
Forced                                   : No

Text #2
ID                                       : 5
Format                                   : arm
Codec ID                                 : S_TEXT/arm
Codec ID/Info                            : Advanced Sub Station Alpha
Bit rate                                 : 44.1 kb/s
Count of elements                        : 28984
Compression mode                         : Lossless
Stream size                              : 12.7 MiB (34%)
Title                                    : Signs/Songs [BoarHead]
Language                                 : English
Default                                  : No
Forced                                   : Yes

Menu
00:00:00.007                             : Prologue

 

Well the frame rate looks odd and the frame rate mode is 'Variable' and should be 'constant'

Frame rate mode : Variable
Frame rate : 6 995.332 FPS

Should be something like:

Frame rate mode : Constant
Frame rate : 23.976 (24000/1001) FPS

 

Doh, this seems to be caused by my cropping of the video.

The original file has Constant frame rate of 23.976 FPS.

Here's the original file:
easyupload.io/odcryp

 

With my former tv sony 950H everything looked best in DV, but with my Bravia9, hdr looks better than DV for non dv media.

 

Sorry, this post got caught in the pattern buffer - just authorised it!!

I really wouldn’t bother cropping files - it saves very little space and just degrades quality.

It’s a different matter if you are purposely compressing the file, but if you’re just doing it for the sole reason of cropping black bars, I wouldn’t bother.

I’d try Staxrip if you really want to do it.

 

I confused the matter more.

The original file which has constant 23.976 FPS also doesn't play in Zidoo.

I tried to cut 9 seconds from the video because the original file is 5GB which I thought people wouldn't want to download for testing, but here it is
easyupload.io/odcryp

 

I downloaded the file. Playing it now. Got to five minutes with no issues.

 

Thanks for testing.

Huh, that's so strange. I wonder what the issue is with my AV setup. I tried playing that file with Plex (Direct Play) on Apple TV and it works. It only fails on the Zidoo Z9X 8K.

This is also the only file I've encountered that Zidoo failed to play.

 

Does anyone know if it is possible to put the 4k ultra hd logo on all movie covers as shown in the photo?

Thanks

 

Only manually with a program like Tiny Media Manager: https://www.tinymediamanager.org/
While TMM will present you with a selection of artwork, you'll still have to manually select the poster with the 4K UHD logo yourself. Potentially very time-consuming depending on how big your collection is. I'm kind of going through this process myself at the moment.

 

no. use this for your covers.
https://movie-posters.theworstbits.ca/

 

I read how one user mentioning how the z9x 8k PQ isn’t as nice as the z9x 4k. They mentioned how the colors appear to be washed out compare to z9k 4k version. I was wondering if any other users experienced this?

 

Absolutely not. PQ is better on the 8K models. Colours are in no way washed out.

 

Ok, here is the thread I was talking about.
http://forum.zidoo.tv/index.php?threads/z9x-8k-dolby-vs10-is-worse-than-z9x-pro-and-dune-8k.98952/

 

Yes saw that but not my experience. If I'm not mistaken he talking about converting HDR to SDR using the VS10 engine for his projector. As he says the examples he gives are when he used "HDR10 -> VS1- > SDR".

I don't need to do that and have no issues with PQ.