To funny always the same people saying digital is digital vs real world testing. Like I have said before blindfold yourself and with the help of a partner switch back and forth. Until then go hang out in ASR forums. Cheers. Personally have a Bryston BR-20 which I use USB and Analog SPDIF with an A6 gen2 as a streamer. Using very good cables which I won’t name because I don’t want to hear the rantings of the ASR crowd. I don’t need to be blindfolded to hear the difference between them. I will say spdif seems to do better with hard rock, heavy metal (not even sure if term is used anymore) then USB which I prefer with newer what I call electronic music. Unless testing I don’t switch back and forth. If I know what music I will listen to I choose one or the other. I have some Jazz from Native DSD that is dsd 256 sublime the soundstage matches the picture of recording. I haven’t taken Optical spdif seriously for a decade. Anyway with purchase of an RME adc (recording my record collection). Sure enough ootical sounds better then USB in blind listening tests go figure. So leave USB connected to a Home Theater PC to make adjustments to dac/adc. Even when I compare RME to BR-20 dac using A6 as streamer (one is optical and the other connected analog spdif) they each sound different. I prefer Bryston sound but a friend has an RME Dac likes my RME sound better. In my case have been listening to Bryston DAC’s for close to a decade so could just be what I know. The words I describe to compare some of differences I hear above are depth of sound-stage laid back, in your face. Width of soundstage constrained, expected, wide open. Image bang on you know exactly where instruments are (all of the above). In some cases music sounds more harsh, smooth, warm. I could go on my point is each way of listening has a slightly different feel and sound to it. My 79 year old mother can hear why can’t you? Anyway I am looking at selling my A6 gen2 for a T8. I can make use of optical network connections. As I understand them the difference between SFP and SFP+ is the former is limited to 1gb speed where the latter is capable of speeds much faster. That being said Eversolo support can I use sfp+ module rated for 1gb? My BR-20 supports AES so interest to listening to see how that interface sounds. Hey its a hobby and stop harassing people who are just asking others for their opinions. You ASR folk are after all just irritating noise I skip over your post. Enjoy the music folks this world is so f**k3d up we all need our escape to cope.
It's too, not to. Yes, you do. Everything else might be biased. If you act like being serious, so be. Do you really think audio transport interfaces make a difference according to music genre? If you discard the fact that s/pdif is clock-dependent, and your ears like (possible) jitter, then yes: s/pdif is better than USB. go figure. Then I just stopped reading to not hurt my eyes. You need to get better understanding, and not just trust your ears. Your ears can easily be fooled, hear this (and... watch...?) for instance... Then we can talk.
I get a picture of a guy in his moms basement in his tighty whities if you are old enough to drink they are wine stained. Girls would cross street or go into store to avoid you. Wife's comment she is a therapist. Having checked your other posts while I was typing ask if you are insecure about something and need to harass others to feel better? You need a YouTube video to justify your existence? Seems you can read? Just doing a simple blind listening test. Eversolo would be wise to force providing serial number when you join to get rid of noise. You make fun of my spelling but don’t even understand what I am saying its my opinion not yours. You do make us both laugh with your insecurities. Then again you username sums it up.
Really you get your jollies by giving other people a hard time. The minute he calls you out for it you report me/him. His spelling errors are due to severe concussions. Do you make fun of handicapped people too? I have seen close to a hundred posts were you harass people trying to enjoy their hobby(s) You shouldn’t be reported you should be banned. I talk to people all day who consider hurting themselves because of bullies like you. You make me sick to my stomach. We’ll contact Eversolo directly from now on. If they ban his post just sell our gear. Go away meet someone enjoy life. Really hope you don’t treat people who love you the way you treat others online.
Ramesh, well said, great post/reply from a sonically standpoint ONLY, in your statement is it still worth or perhaps warrant and upgrade from an A8 to a T8 , if used solely and only as a streamer. from several hours of comparisons again from a sonic standpoint only Just in my personal humble opinion I would absolutely have to say no. but again that’s just my opinion. Yours may vary Absolutely. If someone feels as though they would condone the swap from one unit to the other as you say, To myself That would just merely come down to a matter of opinion, Perhaps for several reasons other than sonic abilities,. To specifics That a person or a listener may like or desire, again this is just my own personal belief and opinions of both units best of luck to everyone please enjoy the upcoming weekend …
I’m not sure if your post is aimed at me, but I made absolutely no statement whatsoever regarding the sonic difference between interfaces. I spoke specifically to the fact that people need to have realistic expectations regarding compatibility between the IIS implementations of different companies/brands when there is for a fact no standard for its use as an external connection method. IIS was designed for internal interfaces. Any attempts to utilize it externally are not held to any strict standard so having an expectation for it to be absolutely interoperable between different brands is setting yourself up for disappointment. I repeat: I made no statement regarding whether or not it sounds better, worse, or different. How can even get there if we can’t get the interface working properly to begin with, and that responsibility does not lie with Zidoo except in the context of getting a Zidoo/Eversolo/Luxsin device to talk correctly to another Zidoo/Eversolo/Luxsin device. For the record, I would not be surprised if some people actually can hear a difference in a blind A/B test between two connection methods or in some cases even different cables. I also would not be any more or less surprised if a blind A/B proves that a person cannot consistently identify the difference. Every test/comparison is different. My M1 only has optical input so I am limited in my options, but I was forced to change from a meter long pure glass Toslink cable to a half meter long fiberglass cable because I was getting dropouts with the longer glass cable when playing 192KHz material. Changing the cable over to the shorter fiberglass cable resolved the dropouts at 192KHz. It would not surprise me one bit if the difference could be picked out in a blind A/B—you can’t possibly miss full-on dropouts! -Ed
- I do not report anybody. - I just speak out technically, as I am technically educated. - whenever I see some "silliness" in observations / expectations / statements / etc. etc. I state that out. Technically. no-nonsense on my side. - at that point those people start to address me as frustrated ASR member that wants at all costs his ideas to be followed / taken as truth. Then I jump in. Look, I have almost nothing in contrary about people believing in all the BS they can find on the internet, or listen from any charlatan on YT. Really. What makes me nervous is that despite I provide technical evidence and documentation / test easy to read / reproduce, I get derided. This really plantes me off. You don't want to learn anything that could help you hobby? Fine. But don't dismiss good information as BS just because you don't understand it / don't want to put all your life-long audio believes into discussion. Peace. P.S. All the "You" in this post aren't literally meant for you. The "You" is general, and encompasses all my posts that have received similar "attention".
I use the T8 on the SPDIF coaxial, EBU/AES XLR and HDMI I2S outputs; I do not use USB. I would say that all three are good. I doubt there is a big difference between AES and SPDIF coaxial. AES uses two conductors to carry the signal, and noise and interference picked up by the cable affect both conductors equally, so in theory the signal transmitted to the DAC is cleaner. Subjectively, some people perceive more bass depth and more stable dynamics. For me, the advantage of I2S or USB is DSD playback. These two types of connection are technically superior to the previous two. Depending on the DAC used, USB may be a better choice than I2S, thanks to advances in isolation. I use coaxial SPDIF on my CD player, as that is the connection available; there is no AES.
How powerful the imagination can be, a digital signal is simply a voltage above or below a designated threshold. Keith
Keith, I said that in my opinion there is no difference between coaxial and AES, some people notice a difference, I use both for practical reasons, as it allows me to connect several sources.
Hi Weather, in doing your comparisons with digital cable example when you are using your coaxial interconnect if I am reading your statement correctly as far as your interpretation then using XLR/AES DIG interconnect. Are both cables of the same manufacture same model same material And other words what I’m trying to determine are both cables of the same manufacturer and material. just speaking for myself as I always state I have always found the XLR/AES seems to sound somewhat fuller , naturally more so on the bottom end, the mids and highs seem to be identical Naturally, but from about 400 to 500 Hz on down at 12 or 6 db per octave, I can notice a very slight thicker or fuller sound, but not as focused as The spdif on the 15’ln woofers, but either cable actually makes no favorable difference and overall quality be at the same either one to me a matter of personal preference, we don’t do blindfolds, what we do is actually cover the equipment rack so no one has any idea What is being played or what it’s being played through or when it’s being played, we have found using a blindfold as somewhat more of a psychological distraction, there is no reason to block your field of view. Keep everyone of your senses intact, totally cover up the equipment so no one again has any idea which unit is being played or what is being played through and total evaluation of but we all have our preferred method Whatever works best for you. That’s what you use but the blindfold is more of a hinder instead of help if you can’t see the equipment at all All your senses are fully intact, in which by blindfolding can also lead to other technical miscalculations not seeing what is being used or played we have came to find this seems to be the best applied method in our groups opinion, not everyone agrees that’s their prerogative we go by what we hear and take it from there., with all due respect I don’t wanna hear no more ASR BS. if that’s your thing wonderful for you But stop cramming it down other people’s , throats we all know what it is. Keep it to yourself. If you enjoy it we know where to find it Respectfully speaking,, there is not one reviewer that I know of that’s worth his salt and totally evaluating everything off a specification of measurements But if that’s your opinion, again that’s your opinion, but but just in my opinion, keep your opinions to yourself. I think everyone’s had enough of that There are all kind of beliefs and religions out there. They’re also people that are atheist that have no religion. Well that’s their opinion. You said what you had to say now keep ASR to yourself. This fourm is supposed to be about Audio and our eversolo units. Who cares about ASR I’m sure they’re not worried about you , With the small exception of $$$ naturally. Please have a wonderful evening and forget about this BS And enjoy your music… Craziness unbelievable…
Hello Biamp3008, I use two identical cables, the Ricable Invictus in both AES and Coaxial, and I don't really like making comparisons. I used the SPDIF coaxial cable for a long time, and I only bought the XLR AES less than two years ago when I got the Holo DAC with this connection. What you say in terms of sound quality, with deeper bass and better foundation with AES, is often reported as a typical sound characteristic, as it is more powerful and excellent in terms of dynamics. Coaxial is known for providing a good sound image and can be warmer depending on the cables. Basically, the Gemini AI says this: - AES: often described as powerful, with great dynamics and a very solid foundation in the low frequencies. Some audiophiles find that it offers a richer and fuller sound than coaxial. - SPDIF Coaxial: the sound is perceived as solid and musical, its performance depends on the quality of the cable, compliance with 75 ohm impedance and DAC implementation, and it is more sensitive to jitter if poorly implemented. Finally, as I listen to more classical music, or music that doesn't have a lot of bass, I may be less sensitive to the advantages of AES. Happy listening! Translated with DeepL.com (free version)
Hello Werther, yes I would absolutely agree with you and most definitely concur with your personal findings, as I believe it would be safe To say my thoughts and opinions or approximately the same and accuracy, sonically speaking as yourself, The only and main reason I use mostly XLR/AES, Is more than likely due to the fact that believe it or not, Somewhat of a long story, but the XLR cables Of almost any maker brand or configuration where it’s somewhat of an abundance as a lot of Audio guys here I’ve been using them for several years Some of them are quite old at work that we always kept and Stuart an excellent condition, At the moment, I have been listening to an old Transparent audio, I believe it’s called ultra Link that had came out of a recording studio in which their entire studio was wired with throughout With that particular cable. This particular comment is just an add in they are not digital cables. I am using them at present from the output of my Eversolo. A8 , Then into a two blind stage onto the amplifiers,, All I can say is for approximately 25 year-old cables or better they really sound excellent I was absolutely somewhat surprised to a certain degree , But after giving them just a basic cleanup, one both connecting ends naturally I was somewhat taken back and very surprised at the overall sonic characteristics of this transparent audio cable, I think some folks believe Because cables are a little old and have been around for quite a while that they are somewhat obsolete. I found this to be not true whatsoever. And very interesting in comparison to current offerings,of today’s technology and beliefs As long as they were taking extremely good care of and stored properly, These older cables that I’m presently using sound absolutely wonderful I think I may just leave them in the system for a while, And put the newer purchased XLR cables aside for a while , But again, I am an absolute Opinion of your above statement and comments on the digital end of cable hook up, Like I stated, before we all have our own opinions and beliefs If it works well for you, that’s all they countS As an end, result, no matter who made it as long as it is a good quality cable myself I have always preferred If I am using an SPDIF hook up the Kimber ADGL. Silver This cable has been an ongoing favor of mine for many years and comparison to many others, of course, system depending Many have came and gone , I also have the XLR version of this cable, Amongst many others, probably same as with yourself, Yes, absolutely their are some sonic characters , depending on,Your statement is right on point, Thank you for your time and your reply in return in regards to what seems like this ongoing but very interesting but true issue, It definitely sounds to appear. You absolutely have your audio and electronics system. Overall very well thought out to your own liking excellent, *However just in thought, you know your audio addiction has became somewhat serious When the cost of your hookup cables cost almost as much as the unit or device in question It’s all part of the plan to a quite addictive degree, naturally dependent upon oneself One friend of mine has been using the same SPDIF cable for the number of years, SMART ? Maybe , I would most likely say so. Idk… .. * please have an enjoyable week, Enjoy the music, Best of luck to you and your future audio and electronic device endeavors …
I’ll have to check that statement, with ASR, In accordance with yourself and them The High End Audio world does not need to seek Any more answers or suggestions, As you know, only you hold a crystal ball, But I think it needs a good tuneup. in my imagination. But I do have to give you credit you’re always there to put your own foot in your arm, You’re consistent. I’ll say that for you That you have a very nice week if you can imagine, imagine that we would all agree, for once, how about that ! That could very well be a possibility, but it might be imagination. We’ll have to work on that. I’ll let you know what happens I imagine ? Just wondering, I’m most certain that you sell more than one brand maker/Manufactured Different type or various Cables were interconnect, but what I can’t understand is why ? As you so, State, it’s imagination, I was wondering if you care to elaborate what type Of imagination is that, According to your statement, you should only be carrying one brand Not unless you’re only in it for the money, I guess the ladder would be correct. Why go through that when it’s all just imagination. You really need to find something else to do seriously, Have a wonderful pre-Christmas sale. I imagine you’ll do fine. Just imagine
did you ask ASR, most certain absolutely unless whatever answer you’re seeking came directly from them, I do notice both my dogs will lick their balls a lot but I really notice it a lot more when they get around a person such as yourself you’re most certainly one big itch , I even noticed my balls get itchy after I read one of your comments, I would imagine, i’ll get back to you on that and let you know, but I would imagine again they’re imagining yourself and their balls get itchy as mine. That’s why I asked you to go find something to do his tongue and my fingers are getting tired. My balls are hurting also , I imagine what do you think ? Whenever you get a chance, I will give you amble time to consult ASR
I owe you an apology Bi skim reading your posts I thought you asked why there are so many cable companies selling so many cables. Hence my post ‘why do dogs lick their balls?’ Because they can I don’t sell cables. Keith
No apologys needed so you don’t sell cables what do you wire everything up with extension cords? Oh I forgot you’d have to contact ASR first you’re the first High End Audio store I ever heard of in my life that doesn’t sell any type of interconnect or loudspeaker cables but then again you are somewhat odd no pun intended just being truthful , that’s funny but you try and have a good week. Best of luck oh why are there so many cable companies come on? You can’t be serious. I think you know why it’s called. $$$$$$$ , I would assume you could figure it out from there if not, please don’t hesitate to let me know. I will explain it to you further no problems, But I guess you do have a point why would you even bother selling cables according to you and ASR? They all sound the same so I guess I could see your point., Just like some of your DAC Comments that are absolutely ridiculous. As long as it has excellent specifications and it’s transparent it makes no difference you claim, So I would imagine you only handle let’s say Eversolo absolutely why would you handle any other brand or maker or manufacture of these devices , as long as the specifications are excellent, and it’s transparent, according to your theory along with ASR, they all sound the same, so I bother with anything else that’s your claim not mine but again I respect your opinion I would imagine maybe you forget to take your meds sometime it happens don’t sweat it
