My first post in this forum. So, please pardon me for any wrongdoing. I am planning to buy Zidoo Z1000 PRO. I rip my 4K discs into MKV using MakeMKV 1.15.3 and above. As you can see in the MediaInfo output mentioned below from Annihilation 4K disc, HDR format is Dolby Vision. Please can owners let me know if Zidoo Z1000 PRO can output Dolby Vision as-is to TV that supports Dolby Vision. Code: General Format : Matroska Format version : Version 2 File size : 44.0 GiB Duration : 1 h 55 min Overall bit rate mode : Variable Overall bit rate : 54.7 Mb/s Movie name : Annihilation Writing application : MakeMKV v1.16.3 win(x64-release) Writing library : libmakemkv v1.16.3 (1.3.10/1.5.2) win(x64-release) Video ID : 1 ID in the original source medium : 4113 (0x1011) Format : HEVC Format/Info : High Efficiency Video Coding Format profile : Main 10@L5.1@High HDR format : Dolby Vision, Version 1.0, dvhe.07.06, BL+EL+RPU, Blu-ray compatible / SMPTE ST 2086, HDR10 compatible Codec ID : V_MPEGH/ISO/HEVC Duration : 1 h 55 min Bit rate : 50.0 Mb/s Width : 3 840 pixels Height : 2 160 pixels Display aspect ratio : 16:9 Frame rate mode : Constant Frame rate : 23.976 (24000/1001) FPS Color space : YUV Chroma subsampling : 4:2:0 (Type 2) Bit depth : 10 bits Bits/(Pixel*Frame) : 0.251 Stream size : 40.2 GiB (91%) Language : English Default : No Forced : No Color range : Limited Color primaries : BT.2020 Transfer characteristics : PQ Matrix coefficients : BT.2020 non-constant Mastering display color primaries : Display P3 Mastering display luminance : min: 0.0001 cd/m2, max: 1000 cd/m2 Original source medium : Blu-ray Audio #1 ID : 2 ID in the original source medium : 4352 (0x1100) Format : MLP FBA 16-ch Format/Info : Meridian Lossless Packing FBA with 16-channel presentation Commercial name : Dolby TrueHD with Dolby Atmos Codec ID : A_TRUEHD Duration : 1 h 55 min Bit rate mode : Variable Bit rate : 4 062 kb/s Maximum bit rate : 7 278 kb/s Channel(s) : 8 channels Channel layout : L R C LFE Ls Rs Lb Rb Sampling rate : 48.0 kHz Frame rate : 1 200.000 FPS (40 SPF) Bit depth : 24 bits Compression mode : Lossless Stream size : 3.26 GiB (7%) Title : Surround 7.1 Language : English Default : Yes Forced : No Original source medium : Blu-ray Number of dynamic objects : 11 Bed channel count : 1 channel Bed channel configuration : LFE Audio #2 ID : 3 ID in the original source medium : 4352 (0x1100) Format : AC-3 Format/Info : Audio Coding 3 Commercial name : Dolby Digital Format settings : Dolby Surround EX Codec ID : A_AC3 Duration : 1 h 55 min Bit rate mode : Constant Bit rate : 640 kb/s Channel(s) : 6 channels Channel layout : L R C LFE Ls Rs Sampling rate : 48.0 kHz Frame rate : 31.250 FPS (1536 SPF) Compression mode : Lossy Stream size : 526 MiB (1%) Title : Surround 5.1 Language : English Service kind : Complete Main Default : No Forced : No Original source medium : Blu-ray Text #1 ID : 4 ID in the original source medium : 4768 (0x12A0) Format : PGS Codec ID : S_HDMV/PGS Codec ID/Info : Picture based subtitle format used on BDs/HD-DVDs Duration : 1 h 46 min Bit rate : 20.8 kb/s Count of elements : 2016 Stream size : 15.8 MiB (0%) Language : English Default : No Forced : No Original source medium : Blu-ray Text #2 ID : 6 ID in the original source medium : 4769 (0x12A1) Format : PGS Codec ID : S_HDMV/PGS Codec ID/Info : Picture based subtitle format used on BDs/HD-DVDs Duration : 1 h 46 min Bit rate : 23.2 kb/s Count of elements : 2226 Stream size : 17.7 MiB (0%) Language : English Default : No Forced : No Original source medium : Blu-ray Menu 00:00:00.000 : en:Chapter 01 00:05:08.975 : en:Chapter 02 00:11:39.156 : en:Chapter 03 00:17:06.483 : en:Chapter 04 00:24:08.405 : en:Chapter 05 00:28:59.446 : en:Chapter 06 00:37:24.200 : en:Chapter 07 00:41:59.475 : en:Chapter 08 00:49:11.281 : en:Chapter 09 00:56:06.404 : en:Chapter 10 01:03:22.131 : en:Chapter 11 01:10:24.720 : en:Chapter 12 01:17:21.928 : en:Chapter 13 01:22:20.226 : en:Chapter 14 01:30:25.962 : en:Chapter 15 01:38:48.589 : en:Chapter 16 01:43:58.357 : en:Chapter 17 01:48:14.279 : en:Chapter 18
Thank you Sir. Much appreciated. Strictly mkv here. I hope there isn't any tiny terms and conditions at the bottom associated with your short answer
Good question, Mark will explain it all to you and he is good at explaining simply and with a lot of details at the same time
Thanks all. Looking at the table, think I am sorted. Looking forward to adding this alongside to my cheap but reliable Vero 4K+ player.
Hello, A forum is a place to exchange information and I find it important to have everyone's opinion. Here is a message which is on the forum Homecinema-fr and which could be important for eventual buyer and which can also bring an answer to LGans316 It's a message from Benhur_C6 and his opinion about the DV support with the 1619DR and thanks to him. ''Profile 7 MEL & FEL BDMV, ISO, MKV (STDL), MP4 (STDL) is smoke and mirrors. It is a simple way to let believe that the Z9X reads the DV FEL & MEL, but it is completely false. 1/ Profile 7 exists only in DTDL. This is the standard set by Dolby. MKV STDL and MP4 STDL is not DV. It's DV with one stream removed (because the player is unable to read 2 streams simultaneously) 2/ Markswift2003 himself demonstrated that the Z9X ignores the FEL stream contained in a BDMV, ISO or MP4 DTDL." See you soon
Thanks @OlivierQC again. Much appreciated. So it's a full U-turn, Yesterday I was told Zidoo will output proper DV from MKV and now it is smoke and mirrors. I am now super confused but will wait for AV Forum member's feedback once he plays around with his unit.
Slight bit of misinformation there: 1. 1/ Profile 7 exists only in DTDL. This is the standard set by Dolby. MKV STDL and MP4 STDL is not DV. It's DV with one stream removed (because the player is unable to read 2 streams simultaneously) This is completely untrue. MKV & MP4 STDL contain both layers encapsulated in one track 2/ Markswift2003 himself demonstrated that the Z9X ignores the FEL stream contained in a BDMV, ISO or MP4 DTDL." True enough - although that info is slightly misleading - the video essence of the FEL isn't used (as we all well know), but the RPU (which is contained in the enhancement layer) is correctly processed and used. This means that MEL titles are processed the same as any BD player and FEL titles simply miss the difference information between the 12-bit stream and the 10-bit stream but the dynamic tone mapping stays intact - no big deal! MP4 DTDL is now supported and DV from BDMV/ISO is being worked on - it does work but at the moment it causes problems with the BD structure - this is why it was temporarily removed.
I am good as long as the player is able to output DV (MEL/FEL) from MKV automatically to a DV capable TV just like my Panasonic UB820 does.
Isn't it already complicated enough that everybody must have an opinion on everything . LLDV is for the same reason also not True DV. Wtf ? If my displays says DV well it's DV and for the rest LMTFA. This forum reminds me more and more like the British parlement with a bunch of third class politicians and wherever the wind blows they go with it. Thanks Mark to take your time to test everything out i know how much you spend to work everything out.
I have to admit there is so much misinformation out there, not only about Dolby Vision, but also just HDR itself and what it actually is! And half of that comes from the manufacturers with their marketing bulls**t! It's absolutely no wonder people get confused over this stuff.
Hello, A new message from Benhur_C6 regarding Dolby Vision with the Zidoo and other similar devices such as the Dune HD or the Shield TV and who responds to a person who asks why his TV indicated that it is Dolby Vision if the Zidoo does not read DV as Benhur_C6 claims. https://www.homecinema-fr.com/forum/post180698495.html#p180698495 Translated into English "You are twisting my words. It's not Dolby Vision that is wrong. m2ts, mkv or mp4 files may be good. What is wrong is to suggest that the FEL in those files will play on the Z9X. markswift2003 updated his tests in June and his findings are still that neither the Shield, nor the Dune Pro vision, nor the Z9X read FEL. https://www.avsforum.com/threads/du...onse-other-random-stuff.3188469/post-60582530 The FEL and RPU response from my DV devices are as follows: 1. Sony X700 UHD BluRay Player (MP4, BDMV) - Dolby Vision BL+FEL+RPU 2. Nvidia Shield (MKV via Kodi) - Dolby Vision BL+RPU 3. Zidoo Z9X (MKV) - Dolby Vision BL+RPU 4. Dune HD Pro Vision 4K Solo (M2TS, ISO) - Dolby Vision BL+RPU note: I disagree with markswift2003 when he says that the FEL is negligible. For info, the FEL of "Basic Instinct" represents 20% of the total video stream. HDR10 stream of 50GB, dvhe.07.06 stream of 12GB, for a total video stream of 62GB I think that if the studio takes the trouble to burn 12Gb of FEL, it is that these 12Gb have an interest for the reconstruction of the image. —————- it is surely an endless debate, but I copy the messages for those who ask the question and want to have all information that it positive or negative See you soon
Hello, An answer from Coulson who answered one of my questions, if there is a visible difference between a bluray player with a dolby vision disc and the zidoo with a DV video file. Coulson from the avforum forum compared it to his OPPO clone (I assume he's talking about the Chinoppo) I'm glad it's an OPPO clone to compare it to the RTD1619DR devices it's even better in my opinion. Here is his answer https://www.avforums.com/threads/zi...review-comments.2365133/page-19#post-29375528 See you soon
Yesterday I played DV MEL and FEL MKV rips and they were fine. Serpico had black level issues but I think its source related. Matrix Trilogy matched UB820 but it's MEL Wondering what the French member is talking about. Basic Instinct is another incompetent encode from Studio Canal. It's got DNR and bad colour grading.
It's not so much that the video element of the FEL is negligible, it's just that on current displays, as long as the disc has been mastered correctly (ie following Dolby's workflow correctly) then there will be very little to choose from the two presentations - but absolutely the 12-bit version is superior, it's just you'd be hard pushed to see why unless you're scrutinising it on a 12-bit monitor. To quote Dolby "The base layer is a 10-bit video bitstream of the full Dolby Vision picture element" However, authoring a Dolby Vision disc requires a lot more validation than say an HDR10 presentation and I have seen discs where presumably this process has not been carried out correctly - as an example, Total Recall shows macroblocking in the base layer which disappears when viewing the full 12-bit stream. This shouldn't happen - there's no reason for any 10-bit encode (or indeed any encode these days!) to exhibit macro blocking. That's just poor encoding and not the fault of the Dolby Vision tech, and indeed if the Dolby Vision workflow is carried out correctly that shouldn't happen.
Quite a few Studio Canal 4K encodes have turned out bad. DV FEL comes to the rescue to mask the compression artifacts but not good enough. Numbers only mean so much. The irony is the 4K iTunes stream of Total Recall has no macroblocking but the disc has it lol.
Thanks for all this information Mark, The debate/explanation continues on homecinema-fr but I will stop sharing benhur_C6's posts to not pollute this thread and some users are also wondering about the real capabilities of the rtd1619DR to handle DV. For those who are interested here is the link (you just have to translate in English) https://www.homecinema-fr.com/forum/post180698950.html#p180698950 For LGans316 I hope you got the information you need See you soon